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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RevJP wrote:
P, when did God kill all of the Egyptians?


I meant, "All of the Egyptians that He killed."
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh!

Which one's were those by the way?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exodus 12:29 It happened at midnight – the Lord attacked all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the prison, and all the firstborn of the cattle.
Exodus 12:30 Pharaoh got up in the night, along with all his servants and all Egypt, and there was a great cry in Egypt, for there was no house in which there was not someone dead.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha,
your not gonna see this are you?

Job 15:34 For the congregation of hypocrites [shall be] desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernacles of bribery.
Isa 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites?

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness.

Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,


Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with [their] lips, but their heart is far from me.

Luk 11:44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over [them] are not aware [of them].

Luk 12:56 [Ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

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Exodus 12:29 It happened at midnight – the Lord attacked all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the prison, and all the firstborn of the cattle.
Exodus 12:30 Pharaoh got up in the night, along with all his servants and all Egypt, and there was a great cry in Egypt, for there was no house in which there was not someone dead.


He blasted em all right.. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the Pharaoh made God angry, and God killed every firstborn child in Egypt...

Do you know what people would call me if my hairdresser made me angry, and if I then went and strangled her baby?

They'd (rightfully) call me an absolute psycho. I probably wouldn't even end up in jail; I'd probably end up in an insane asylum.

What did the firstborn children do to deserve being killed by God?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

P1234567890 wrote:
So the Pharaoh made God angry, and God killed every firstborn child in Egypt...

Do you know what people would call me if my hairdresser made me angry, and if I then went and strangled her baby?

They'd (rightfully) call me an absolute psycho. I probably wouldn't even end up in jail; I'd probably end up in an insane asylum.

What did the firstborn children do to deserve being killed by God?


The hairdresser is the person teaching the students how to cut hair. You go in to get your haircut and the teacher messes it up real bad. You see that the students are learning the bad traits of the teacher. So you get angry and tell them all off.

Job 4:7 Remember, I pray thee, who [ever] perished, being innocent? or where were the righteous cut off?
Job 4:8 Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same.
Job 4:9 By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed.
Job 4:10 The roaring of the lion, and the voice of the fierce lion, and the teeth of the young lions, are broken.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: God kills babies in the Bible Reply with quote

P1234567890 wrote:
When discussing abortion, I think it is important to keep in mind that in the Bible, God Himself kills babies.

It's pretty clearly written in Exodus. God kills all of the Egyptians' firstborns as well as those of their servants and animals.

Babies are all innocent. The babies of the servants of the Egyptians as well as the animals were ESPECIALLY innocent.

So how can pro-lifers argue that "murdering innocent babies" is somehow evil, when God Himself did the same thing?!?

Couldn't one make the argument that the abortion doctors are just being more Godly and that they are therefore righteous?


Exactly!
Great points again.

Therefore, the ONLY difference between men and God in abortion, as in everything else, is that God kills IN LOVE and men kill IN HATE!

God also kills adults:
he killed JC in Love, using Jews to do the killing, and that ONE act was murder only for those who killed JC with Hate, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME being a sweet-sacrifice for Him who killed JC with Love.

John 3:16.

So the jews were NOT wrong for killing JC, they were wrong for hating him...and so were sinning before his death, sinning even if they had never killed him, and sinned by the Hate in which they killed him.

So those abortion doctors wd have to abort in Love for them to be as righteous and as Godly as God.

Hmmmmmmmmmsmile

with Godly Love & Respect,
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ana wrote:
P1234567890 wrote:
God can't sin, can He?


That's a hard one. On one hand, he isn't subject to his own laws, since he made them (see explanation of God defying the laws of physics in the miracle cases), but on the other hand, he cannot do anything against his nature as revealed in the Bible (see explanation for why God wouldn't ask us to do terrible things anymore, even just to test us).


Hi Ana,

God is subject to his own spiritual law: His Law of Love!
matthew 22:36-40.

He MUST love all he thinks, says and does AND their opposites.
Matthew 5:43-48. 7:12. Eccles 3:1-8.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

P1234567890 wrote:

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Either case is bad for Christians. (I really love these disjunction-elimination arguments!)


Either case is only bad for Xtians who hate killers or liars. both of whom God loves. matthew5:43-48.

And you really only love those disjunction-elimination arguments if you love yourself as both winner and loser, liar and honest, lifesaver and life-taker!smile

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Beats any lie you can invent.'
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, my first post here.

I haven't read this entire thread......it's really long but did I just read someone ask if God can sin??? That's a joke right?

As far as killing babies......I'm definitely pro-life. When God killed innocent babies it was because of disobedience. It wasn't meant to start a debate about God murdering innocent newborns.

This entire world is enveloped in sin and so are we. From the incurable disease to the deformed child to the fetus' that abort themselves. We don't know what God is doing. We don't know what strings are being pulled and if they even are. Perhaps God is letting things run their course at different times. Welcome to a world of sin where all kinds of bad things happen.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello and welcome to the boards...
fitus wrote:

When God killed innocent babies it was because of disobedience


if they were innocent...how were they disobedient?...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WE ARE ALL BORN SINFUL FROM BIRTH- WHEN GOD KILLED ALL OF THE EGYPTIAN BABIES HE WAS EMPHAZSIZING THAT NO ONE CAN STOP HIM OR INFLUENCE HIS COMMANDS- GOD TOLD PHAROH TO LET HIS PEOPLE GO BUT HE DIDN'T SO GOD DISCIPLINED HIM WITH 10 PLAGUES THE LAST OF WHICH BEING THE KILLING OF THE FIRSTBORNS....(NOT ONLY THE BABIES!!!!) IT WAS BECAUSE OF DISOBEDIENCE THAT THE FIRSTBORNS DIED - PHARAOH CHOSE HIS CONSEQUENCES- HE COULD HAVE LET THE ISRAELITES GO AT ANY TIME....
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Josi Pie wrote:
WE ARE ALL BORN SINFUL FROM BIRTH- WHEN GOD KILLED ALL OF THE EGYPTIAN BABIES HE WAS EMPHAZSIZING THAT NO ONE CAN STOP HIM OR INFLUENCE HIS COMMANDS- GOD TOLD PHAROH TO LET HIS PEOPLE GO BUT HE DIDN'T SO GOD DISCIPLINED HIM WITH 10 PLAGUES THE LAST OF WHICH BEING THE KILLING OF THE FIRSTBORNS....


Yeah, that really showed the Pharoah!

Too bad it also punished thousands of poor Egyptians who didn't do anything wrong, who then had to bury their firstborn children!

What kind of an evil, malevolent God to you worship?!? Sounds more like Satan to me!

Let's say George Bush does something bad, so someone goes and kills every first-born child in America. I wonder how y'all would feel about that person... That's *exactly* how the Egyptians would have felt!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

P1234567890 wrote:
That's *exactly* how the Egyptians would have felt!

I strongly doubt that there was a unified single "feeling" among the Egyptians. First they give their gold and say, get out of here (I don't want to die either), which is Not an initial reaction of vengeance, but then after some time, the emotional pendulum swings and Pharaoh goes after them with an army. (Wow how this reflects upon Iraq today!)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yehushuan wrote:
P1234567890 wrote:
That's *exactly* how the Egyptians would have felt!

I strongly doubt that there was a unified single "feeling" among the Egyptians.


You don't think they would have been upset at having their children killed?!?
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