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P1234567890
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and the NSA reading every single e-mail sent in the entire country? |
Your kidding right? Do you really think anyone (especially a government agency) could be efficient enough to read through 15 billion emails a day...everyday?
This whole NSA thing a mix of paranoia and narcissism at its finest....IMO  |
The technology exists to do it. I could program a system that could read every single e-mail sent every day. It's not hard. It's really just a matter of resources, and the NSA has been buying a ridiculous number of computers over the past 10 years.
Besides, the way the wiretap laws have been passed is highly suspicious; there can only be one reason for having such liberal rules: to do the old vacuum cleaner and read everything.
I try not to be a big fan of conspiracy theories, but this one is actually feasible.
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oxalex
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: ... |
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i wanna respond to the person who said that God Himself killed babies and that doctors killing them must be more Godly then.
i think that abortion is a selfish act at any perspective whether rape or difficulties, it is a selfish act. i mean this in the least offensive way possible. but i understand what you meant about how God killed babies but i would like everyone to also understand that God did this in the old testament. in the old testament, in case you dont know, Jesus hadn't died for our sins yet. therefore, the people whos first borns were killed by God were under the law. the law that if you didnt abide by God's rules, you were under God's wrath. which only makes the death of Jesus Christ even more amazing, but that's besides the point.
i think that for you to say that the doctors must then be even more Godly because they're doing what God did is just a crazy thought (once again i mean this in the least offensive way possible) because as recently mentioned the people of whom God killed their first borns were under the law, and how could somebody be made Godly when they're theives. they're simply taking something that doesn't belong to them. God is a giver of life. He doesn't create any being without reason. all life is given by Him. for doctors or patients of abortion to think they have the right to do the same is ridiculous, and for people to think that it's just a Godly for a doctor to do so is even more ridiculous.
if you would like to further discuss you can email me @ heartshaped_star249@yahoo.com.
please do not think i'm a condemning person, actually i know first hand what abortion is b/c my mom actually had one, and i can assure you she agrees with everything i've said.
by the way, if you live in texas in the brazoria area an awesome woman of God is coming to the gulf coast christian center in west columbia. she flows in the prophetic gifts, and has a super cool testimony, so be there or be square.  |
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FFT
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| oxalex wrote: | | but i understand what you meant about how God killed babies but i would like everyone to also understand that God did this in the old testament. |
Malachi 3:6 “Since, I, the Lord, do not change, you, sons of Jacob, have not perished.
Or for a NT example,
James 1:17 All generous giving and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or the slightest hint of change.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
what does this mean?
whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken?
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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nobody??
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oxalex
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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you're right. God never changes and He never will.
"He is the same today and forever."
but if you'll take a gander in our handy dandy Bible it also says that "we've been made new creations IN Christ" and that the law of the old covenant is dead.
in the message remix version (which might i say is a pretty nifty Bible) says in Hebrews 8:6-13 "But Jesus' priestly work far surpasses what these other priests do, since he's working from a far better plan. If the first plan-the old covenant-had worked out, a second wouldn't have been needed.But we know the first was found wanting because God said...they didn't keep their part of the bargain...[but] they'll get to know me by being kindly forgiven with the slate of their sins forever wiped clean."
God is a never changing God and His word never misleads, but also take into consideration that in the old testament as well only certain preists could go into the holy temple and if he wasn't fasted up and prayed up and hadn't sacrificed to be forgiven of his sin then God would kill him. now you and i both know that each and every one of us can now easily enter into a place of worship and God's presence is constantly with us. does that mean that God changed? no, just that the death of our Lord and Savior brought us forgiveness and the old law is washed away, glory to God. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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God's personality certainly seems to change somewhere between the Old and New Testaments...
In the OT He was a mean, petty, and vindictive sadist, and in the NT He became a lot nicer...
So you can say that God doesn't change if you want, but the Bible seems to say otherwise.
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: |
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P123, your commentary seems to indicate that God acted without purpose, without reason, that He did things or commanded things for no reason other than just to inflict pain upon people. Do you really think the OT demonstrates such?
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | P123, your commentary seems to indicate that God acted without purpose, without reason, that He did things or commanded things for no reason other than just to inflict pain upon people. Do you really think the OT demonstrates such? |
No, nor do I claim this. Sure, God acted with a purpose, but that doesn't mean that what He did was ok. I argue that killing innocent women and children is never ok. It's not ok when Osama Bin Laden did it, and it's not ok when Hitler did it... So why should it be ok when God did it? That's the thing about morality; you have to apply the same standards to EVERYONE.
The fact that He had a purpose is irrelevant. Osama and Hitler also had motivations behind their actions (i.e. a purpose) which they believed to be righteous.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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RevJP
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Would you be so kind as to define 'innocent'?
I understand what you mean by 'innocent' but you are talking about God, how would HE define innocent and what makes you think that anyone is innocent in relation to His righteousness?
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P1234567890
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| RevJP wrote: | Would you be so kind as to define 'innocent'?
I understand what you mean by 'innocent' but you are talking about God, how would HE define innocent and what makes you think that anyone is innocent in relation to His righteousness? |
When God killed all of the Egyptians (including women and children), what did they do to deserve it?
Give me a reasonable scenario in which a child does something that warrants the death penalty.
When is it ok to kill children?
When Hitler does it then it's a crime against humanity, but when God does it then it's perfectly ok? What kind of moral inconsistency is this?
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | When is it ok to kill children? |
that is the question isn't it?
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Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | When is it ok to kill children? |
that is the question isn't it? |
Yes, and I assert that the answer is, "Never".
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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RevJP
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P, when did God kill all of the Egyptians?
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | P, when did God kill all of the Egyptians? |
I believe P misspoke when he claimed "all."
On the other hand:
Exodus 12:29 It happened at midnight – the Lord attacked all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the prison, and all the firstborn of the cattle.
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