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Silver Surfer
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| lone-traveler wrote: | Hi Silver,
If I follow the meaning of the sabbath to the conclusion I've seen so far, then that would mean that Christ is coming back for all those who are dead in Him so that we will be made alive when he comes to get us.
Those who have not kept the sabbath, that is died in Christ, will not rise again on the first day when He comes back.
or the third day he revives us...not sure how that third day fits in there yet.. :?
Well I know in the book of revelation it says that men shall seek death and shall not find it.
So they can not enter in to the sabbath or death in Christ because they have no faith.
And if you don't die in Christ, you don't get resurected with him in life so that could be an indication too..
just tossin salad here..
God Bless
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It comes down to this.....the 7th day sabbath is a test of loyalty, for the Christian.
God set it up as THE sign.....between the Believer and Himself........
20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
Everyone is free to accept God's word, or to reject God's word, it is their choice.
The Bible prophecy in Isaiah tells of God's people to restore God's Holy Day to its rightful place, in the last days.
The Mark of the Beast scenerio will force every one on the earth to worship AGAINST God's commandments.....under pain of death. |
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lone-traveler
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Hi tss,
I see it spiritually also. That when we were baptised in his death then when he rose us up in him, then that is when the rod of iron kicked in.
Before I was born again I did not know the law. I just did whatever I thought was right or wrong. I was a natural carnal person.
After I was born again I became aware of God's word. And I have been led ever since in all matters of laws, prophets, psalms...every word.
So to me what you see as a literal occurance at some time, I see spiritually happening in me.
I am under His rod being taught by His teacher the Holy Spirit in all things...
howbeit I'm a slow learner sometimes and get my knuckles smacked with the rod, or get banged over the head a few times... 
But what we consider the spiritual law is hidden within the stone. But you have to have eyes to see and ears to hear and the only one that can show you anything is the teacher himself.
That's why I say, I don't have a problem with the literal law in stone or the spiritual law in the heart because I can mesh them together and understand what they say...sometimes...
I'm under Christ and His rod. And if this rod is the law and the commandments then sobeit.
Where else can I go....He has the words of life.. 
Jhn 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Jhn 6:66 From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Jhn 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Jhn 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Jhn 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
So if Jesus says keep the commandments, who am I to argue with him?
But he also says Hear and See and you will know the truth and the truth shall set you free...
Because the truth isn't locked up in the stone if you learn to use the keys to unlock the door.
Those keys are right in your heart and mind. And the Holy Spirit rolls away the stone so you can look inside the tomb and see the flesh is gone but the spirit is alive.
Luk 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.
Luk 24:2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
Luk 24:3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
Luk 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
Luk 24:5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down [their] faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
Luk 24:6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
Luk 24:7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
Luk 24:8 And they remembered his words,
Luk 24:9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
When God gave the law to Moses and Moses came down the mount...who did God give the law to?
Sinful men.
And what did they do to the law?
They broke it, profaned it, cursed it, diregarded it, walked all over it.
So what happened to the law that God had gave to sinful man?
It died. They were not keeping it. It had no power of them any more. They fell into darkness.
Christ came and fulfilled the law. He was given into the hands of sinful men, he was crucified, and he died.
But...something else happened...He rose again from the dead. Now the law which was once encased in stone has now become spiritual and encased in mens hearts. Where the only sinful hands that it can be put into is the one who's heart it's in.
Nobody can break it in your heart but you.
which reminds me when Jesus says:
Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Mat 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them
I believe the stone which the builders rejected is the law that the Jews rejected when they were rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem. They rejected God's laws and made up their own laws. So now God's laws are going to come crashing down on their own heads.
Christ to me is EVERYTHING. There isn't anything that He isn't. So whether He is man or rock or bread or water or anything...It's all about Him and our relation to Him in every way possibly concievable.
I'm ramblin again...
God Bless
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theseldomscene
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theseldomscene
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hi lone...
GOD delcared in the prophets that HE would remove/change the heart of stone from/in HIS people...and give them a heart of flesh..ez11 ...it makes me think of circumcision(?)...but tss(babbling to myself)...flesh is circumsized...not stone...HE takes the stone and gives flesh then cuts it...which makes it tender...and exposed...
i do see and believe the rev is to be looked at in the spiritual(though they are many different views there and many could be correct at the same time)...but i believe in a literal iterpretation as well...and some of it has already came to pass in this generation...i mean.. literally came to pass....as GOD declared would happen... |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Silver,
you wrote:
| Quote: | It comes down to this.....the 7th day sabbath is a test of loyalty, for the Christian.
God set it up as THE sign.....between the Believer and Himself........
20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God. |
I believe Jesus was the sign that was given to those that believed at that time also.
It's the one major issue the Jews kept giving him a hassle about. But those that knew the law knew that Jesus wasn't breaking the law. They saw the hypocrisy of the priests in the temple.
This sign to them was the sabbath. The sign to us Gentiles was him being lifted up like the serpent Moses lifted up in the wilderness.
If you get bit by a serpent look up and you will live and not die.
Who are the vipers and the snakes..John says who they are:
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Jesus says who they are:
Mat 23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Jhn 12:20 ¶ And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast:
Jhn 12:21 The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus.
Jhn 12:22 Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus.
Jhn 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
Jesus is the two signs that God told Moses. If they don't believe the first sign they will believe the second.
The priests had plagued the sabbath..Moses hand being turned to leprousy...this is the sign in the hand or in the forehead...
They were ruling Moses seat with the rod and over their minds.
And his hand being made whole is those who are bit by snakes will not die. The lifting up of Jesus. So all the world would be saved by him.
Are these signs still active today or have they been fulfilled? Will Jesus come and be crucified a second time?
No, but we will see the one we crucified.
Is the sabbath being profaned today the same way it was being profaned back then?
They were working on the sabbath day, taking money and selling animals in the temple on the sabbath...
What are we told to do...nothing. absolutely nothing.
As if we were asleep in death, resting in the sabbath day, which Christ says we are to come to Him to find this rest that we seek. If we are not resting in him, then we are profaning and breaking the sabbath day.
So it is a sign. A sign that "we" are not doing "our own" works while we are in Christ, but that Christ is working while we are resting in Him.
But then there are sabbath(s)....and this I haven't dug into deep enough yet. There is the sabbath and then there are sabbaths...and that would be a very interesting study..
thats' how I'm understanding it Silver,
God Bless
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theseldomscene
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| theseldomscene wrote: | hi mo...
i had it put together a couple years ago...it showed how the earth would be like it was originally and food would grow natural ...with the shortage of men(they are killed in a very big war) during that time that will be a good thing....which is why seven women will grab one man(poor dude), but decare they have plenty of their own food...they won't need to labor for it then because the earth will bud and bring forth abundantly...which is also a good time to note the no law against pologamy thing in the o.t. but are some(one i can think of off the top of my head anyway) laws that govern the way it is done...and why their will be a weekly sabbath then for those in unglorified flesh...the good news is from my understanding...if one who is alive then is completely obedient...they will/can live in an unglorified body for the duration of the grand and be saved if they make it to the end...my last computer crashed with everything in it  ...so if something doesn't sound right know i am trying to recap from memory and it was a lot of stuff... know this is for those who are not glorified and reigning with HIM...as those who are will be glorified in body like HIM... |
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my editing skills are lacking...i quoted me instead. ..i edited the original out ...sorry...  |
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lone-traveler
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nana
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Greeting,
Mojo, I believe that Colossians 2:17 would better be read:
Which WERE a shadow of things to come;...
You can check it out in the Strong's but more importantly it goes with Hebrews 10:1.
"For the law having a shadow of good things to come..."
When Christ rose from the dead the Law was fulfilled and we were set to rest if we believe.
I believe that the Sabbath is Christ. He is the rest from a law that could never be kept to attain to righteousness. He is our righteousness, He is our Sabbath.
The reason that some do not see this great truth is because they believe that they are still born in sin. They have not yet put the old man away by the washing and renewing of their mind.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | Hi Silver,
you wrote:
| Quote: | It comes down to this.....the 7th day sabbath is a test of loyalty, for the Christian.
God set it up as THE sign.....between the Believer and Himself........
20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God. |
I believe Jesus was the sign that was given to those that believed at that time also.
It's the one major issue the Jews kept giving him a hassle about. But those that knew the law knew that Jesus wasn't breaking the law. They saw the hypocrisy of the priests in the temple.
This sign to them was the sabbath. The sign to us Gentiles was him being lifted up like the serpent Moses lifted up in the wilderness.
If you get bit by a serpent look up and you will live and not die.
Who are the vipers and the snakes..John says who they are:
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Jesus says who they are:
Mat 23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Jhn 12:20 ¶ And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast:
Jhn 12:21 The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus.
Jhn 12:22 Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus.
Jhn 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
Jesus is the two signs that God told Moses. If they don't believe the first sign they will believe the second.
The priests had plagued the sabbath..Moses hand being turned to leprousy...this is the sign in the hand or in the forehead...
They were ruling Moses seat with the rod and over their minds.
And his hand being made whole is those who are bit by snakes will not die. The lifting up of Jesus. So all the world would be saved by him.
Are these signs still active today or have they been fulfilled? Will Jesus come and be crucified a second time?
No, but we will see the one we crucified.
Is the sabbath being profaned today the same way it was being profaned back then?
They were working on the sabbath day, taking money and selling animals in the temple on the sabbath...
What are we told to do...nothing. absolutely nothing.
As if we were asleep in death, resting in the sabbath day, which Christ says we are to come to Him to find this rest that we seek. If we are not resting in him, then we are profaning and breaking the sabbath day.
So it is a sign. A sign that "we" are not doing "our own" works while we are in Christ, but that Christ is working while we are resting in Him.
But then there are sabbath(s)....and this I haven't dug into deep enough yet. There is the sabbath and then there are sabbaths...and that would be a very interesting study.. :D
thats' how I'm understanding it Silver,
God Bless
Lone |
OK, Let's add something Jesus said:
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:34 am Post subject: |
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Hi nana,
you wrote:
| Quote: | | I believe that the Sabbath is Christ. He is the rest from a law that could never be kept to attain to righteousness. He is our righteousness, He is our Sabbath. |
The thing I find interesting is where the commandment for the sabbath is placed in the law.
It's number 4 on the list, located almost central in it.
I was looking at Romans 2,
Rom 2:17 ¶ Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
Rom 2:18 And knowest [his] will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
Rom 2:19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
Rom 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
Rom 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Rom 2:22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
Rom 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? Rom 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
I see Paul not criticising the law but the one who is teaching from the law. The hypocrite.
He rests in the law..the sabbath is in the law.
He boasts of God..Love God with all thy heart, mind and soul.
Thou knowest His will...to keep his commandments.
Approving things that are more excellent..don't kill, don't steal...
Being instructed out of the law...knowledge of good and evil are in the law. It is a guide and a councellor to those who follow it.
It's when we get to the next few verses...
It's about having confidence in the law and teaching others to obey, while breaking the law oneself. Because they only have a form of the knowledge and the truth in the law.
What's the form of knowledge? The letter, or leaning on one's own understanding?
They don't have the spirit which is of faith.
verse 23, I looked up different versions because I had a hard time understanding it's meaning...
NLT - Rom 2:23 - You are so proud of knowing the law, but you dishonor God by breaking it.
NIV - Rom 2:23 - You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law?
ESV - Rom 2:23 - You who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law.
NASB - Rom 2:23 - You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God?
HNV - Rom 2:23 - You who glory in the law, through your disobedience of the law do you dishonor God?
Rom 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
Now that's the third commandment..not to take God's name in vain. And not to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
They have no faith in the law even though they teach from the law, and they themselves don't do what it says.
Mat 23:1 ¶ Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.
Isn't this what Paul is saying?
You have to read the law and then find out what it is the scribes and Pharisees are doing in order to see where they are in error.
The law isn't the error. It's those who are doing the works contrary to the law and teaching others by example to stumble.
The scribes are the ones who "doctor" the law. They change it to fit their desires. We see how they have changed the rules about honouring your parents, about making vows...they changed the times and laws in the commandments.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Who is he? would be Jerusalem under the authority of the Jebusites. Those who call themselves Jews but are not of Judah. They are Jebusites which took over the kingdom and changed the laws. That would be Satan who sits in Moses seat changing times and laws.
The temple became the synagogue of Satan.
Where Satan sits...And sufferest that woman Jezebel to teach doctines of fornication and eating things offered to idols.
If you don't have faith in God, then anytime you partake of anything in the name of God without faith in God, then you are offering things to other gods, which are not gods at all.
The Pharisees and scribes put their faith in Abraham and Moses and not in God who made the promise and gave the law in the first place. They were worshipping men (gods) and not God.
The law is good and we should find rest in it...but not do after the works that men teach us, because they don't do the works themselves but expect other people to keep the letter. While they themselves break it.
It's what's in the law that you find excellent knowledge.
It's in Christ we find grace, faith, and truth.
And you need to put them together to get the whole picture.
nana wrote:
| Quote: | | The reason that some do not see this great truth is because they believe that they are still born in sin. They have not yet put the old man away by the washing and renewing of their mind. |
And that's just it, how do we renew the mind without learning what it is He said?
Our minds are washed by the Word of God. And we live by every word that proceeds out of His mouth. Even Jesus confronted Satan with the words of the law to knock him down.
To renew the mind is to build it back up with good knowledge, good understanding, faith, truth...knocking down the old man's thoughts and putting God's thoughts in there instead.
How do we do that without learning what he said in the first place.
Jesus said keep my commandments as I have kept my Father's commandments.
In order to keep them we have to know them. And we have to learn them and understand them. Then we have to honour them and that's how we keep them.
Keeping them is the opposite of throwing them away isn't it?
They were making the people work on the sabbath day. By bringing tithes and offerings to the temple. The law says no one is to do any work at all on the sabbath day.
And then they turn around and criticise Jesus for giving people health and rest on the sabbath day.
They weren't making a profit from it, and they got a bit upset. Your supposed to take care of the widows and the fatherless and the poor.
They took the widows last two mites. She was led to believe that if she didn't give to the temple she would be put out of God's house. So she gave everything she had.
They should have been giving to her instead.
That's what Jesus was doing...giving.
Because it is more blessed to give than to recieve.
And this principle is in the law. But they didn't like it used on themselves. They said give to us. And they got rich while the people went poor.
The law says give to the poor and needy not to steal from them.
Not to covet other peoples goods, which they were doing.
Not to commit adultery which by serving their own laws and those who were ruling the temple, they committed adultery against God by serving another who was not God.
They broke every law in the book. And then stoned other people for making mistakes, even though the law says thou shalt not murder...
They should have stoned themselves.
I believe Paul was leading people to God's laws and away from the laws that had taken over the land.
And because he was directing them away from the synagogue of Satan he was persecuted daily by the people he once served himself.
The Sabbath is "in" the law. And I believe that's where we're supposed to rest, in Him. In His laws and in His words. And let Him work His work in us.
The only place where there is no sin, is in Him.
no such thing as short.. 
God Bless
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Hi Silver,
you wrote:
| Quote: | OK, Let's add something Jesus said:
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? |
Who is Jesus talking to? Those who say they are keeping the law but are not.
Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
What is the will of the Father?
To prophesy? To cast out devils? to do wonderful works to be seen of men?
Aren't these works that they are taking the credit for?
Have we not done these things? Ah sure...
The problem may lie in the "we doing it" and not giving glory to God.
Why would the Lord call them workers of iniquity if they are doing the works he told them to do?
Sometimes new things just pop out of nowhere..LOL
to me anyways..
Luk 11:37 ¶ And as he spake, a certain Pharisee besought him to dine with him: and he went in, and sat down to meat.
Luk 11:38 And when the Pharisee saw [it], he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner.
Luk 11:39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.
Luk 11:40 [Ye] fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
Luk 11:41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.
First The Pharisee asks Jesus to have dinner with Him. Then he is amazed that he hasn't washed first.
And Jesus tells him, isn't is as much important to wash the inside as well as the outside?
He calls them fools....the fool has said in his heart, there is no God. They have no faith.
It's not about washing the cup it's about washing the heart and mind.
The part I never saw is what Peter saw with the sheet, in verse 41.
Give thanks for what you do have, and behold, it will be clean.
So they were doing the rituals, they were doing the cleaning and the washing so as not to so much eat a gnat. But they weren't doing the things they should have been doing which is washing themselves on the inside by not sinning in their hearts.
The pharisee was judging Jesus by the outward appearance. Jesus then judged the pharisee by what was inside of him.
Jesus said he came not to judge, but if he did judge, his judgement was true. Because he spoke the words his Father gave him to speak which come right from the laws of God.
But they only kept the outside...Lord, Lord haven't we done all these things in your name?
Why do ye call me Lord, and do not the things I say?
So then what is lacking?
The washing on the outside, the washing on the inside?
Can we wash ourselves and make ourselves clean?
No. It's faith to allow God's word to wash us from the inside out. And not to leave the outside undone either.
But it is more important to hear the law first. Because if you don't hear it and understand it, then you only end up washing the outside and the inside is left undone.
You have to Love God with all your heart, mind, and soul. And this takes faith. And faith is a gift from God.
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
If you don't want to be judged then don't judge.
The Pharisee judged Jesus and then Jesus did unto others as was done unto him.
If you want God to hear your prayers, you have to hear his words.
If you want God to keep his promises to you, then you have to keep what he tells you to keep.
Do unto others as you would have done unto you.
this is the law...and the prophets...
what goes around comes around...
what you sow you reap...
That's how I understand it Silver
God Bless
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theseldomscene
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i am so hapy the law of the SPIRIT of life has set me free from the law of sin and death....and the law of the PSIRIT is the only law i rest in for it is the law of love....the law is this...love...
no more...never less...imo...
the o.t. law is not gone and will judge all who are not in HIM...
all are born in sin....
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MoJo
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| tss wrote: | i am so hapy the law of the SPIRIT of life has set me free from the law of sin and death....and the law of the PSIRIT is the only law i rest in for it is the law of love....the law is this...love...
no more...never less...imo...
the o.t. law is not gone and will judge all who are not in HIM...
all are born in sin....
and must be born again... |
Amen. I'm in total agreement.
Nana. What tss has said above, I agree with. This is how I see it. Although Christ died at a specific point in time, that sacrifice is perpetual. What that means is that all future generations can participate in his sacrifice by crucifying themselves to sin. Until such point, we live in subjection to sin. Sin has dominion over us.
I don't know if I'm expressing this clearly. When Christ died, there was not an automatic blanket thrown over all sin. That he died for the remission of sins past is speaking to **our past**- the individual's past. Once we repent and confess, our past sins are remitted, so that his sacrifice equally applies and is perpetual and works the same way to all generations. All individuals, all generations are under subjection to sin until their personal rebirth.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| MoJo wrote: | | tss wrote: | i am so hapy the law of the SPIRIT of life has set me free from the law of sin and death....and the law of the PSIRIT is the only law i rest in for it is the law of love....the law is this...love...
no more...never less...imo...
the o.t. law is not gone and will judge all who are not in HIM...
all are born in sin....
and must be born again... |
Amen. I'm in total agreement.
Nana. What tss has said above, I agree with. This is how I see it. Although Christ died at a specific point in time, that sacrifice is perpetual. What that means is that all future generations can participate in his sacrifice by crucifying themselves to sin. Until such point, we live in subjection to sin. Sin has dominion over us.
I don't know if I'm expressing this clearly. When Christ died, there was not an automatic blanket thrown over all sin. That he died for the remission of sins past is speaking to **our past**- the individual's past. Once we repent and confess, our past sins are remitted, so that his sacrifice equally applies and is perpetual and works the same way to all generations. All individuals, all generations are under subjection to sin until their personal rebirth.
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Yes,
I agree with this too MoJo..
God Bless
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