God hates a physical Sabbath

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

apparently you sir have a reading comprehension problem as well as a short term memory problem(i heard that can be caused by smoking to much dope...)..

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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

nana · Bear Cub Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 625

Greetings,

The carnal man wants a god he can see with the natural eyes and touch with his hands. He wants a Sabbath that satisfies the flesh. The flesh profits nothing!

The spiritual man accepts that God is invisible and can only be worshipped in spirit and in truth: the written word.

All the law is spiritual, thank goodness. The letter of the law was unmerciful: and eye for an eye.

Commandment 5 says to honor your father and mother. If this was done in the flesh it could be disastrous; what if your father was Hitler? The law of the spirit says that your mother and father is the God of Abraham and Sarah who is the father of all who believe.

Mat 12:48-50, "Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

But he [Jesus] answered and said unto him that told him, who is my mother? And who are my brethren?

And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, behold my mother and my brethren!

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."

Romans 4:11, "And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe..."

Unfortunately those who love the law are blinded by the reading of the old Testament.

In Christ, Judy

RND · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject:

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

RND · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject:

I wonder what commandments, laws and statues Jesus Christ gave to Abraham to obey that would lead him to his righteousness by faith?
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lone-traveler · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject:

I just think we should all try to understand what the sabbath is, was, and always will be...

There is so much more to it than just taking a day off, gathering together for worship services, going to the mall, checking out the latest movies, going to the hairdressers, going fishing...

I read the bible it says that on the sabbath day, every man abide in his place and no one is to go out of his place.

Exd 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

The bible says that on the first day of the week Mary and the other women came to the tomb. But on the seventh day they rested according to the commandment.

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Did they go to the synagogue and congregate? Did they go out of their houses?

In my honest opinion I believe the sabbath is like baptism, it shows us Christ's death which is his rest.
And on the sabbath day everybody symbollically died or rested with him.
No one was doing any of their own works on this day except God who has control over his own day.
The LORD said unto my Lord, sit here (rest), while I make your enemies your footstool.
What is the Lord's enemy? Death.

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

It was on the sabbath day while all the world was resting, that the Lord made man's enemy, death serve us rather than we serve it.
Death is not something that carries any fear over us any longer, it holds no condemnation within itself. Death is not the ruler over life. Life is the ruler over death.

We can fear death and run from it and let it take control of us. Or, we can control the fear of death by using it to our advantage. Every seventh day we can experience death by not going anywhere, not doing anything except resting. This is the example of death that one can experience while living.
Resting is a joy to those who are weary and tired. Resting is not a joy to those who are always fretting and never able to find peace. Always on the go, always something to do, never having anything fully accomplished, always restless....

What does God command us to do on the sabbath day?
Rest. Bring no burdens within your gates on this day. Leave all your worries behind and find peace for your souls.
Don't go anywhere. Sit still. Overcome the fear of death by grabbing hold of the reigns and teaching you how to enjoy the peace that comes in death. The eternal resting place in God.
So many people fear death. What's going to happen when I die? Do we go somewhere? Are there a lot of people there? Is there noise or clatter or movement of any kind?
I believe the sabbath is a shadow that gives us an insight as to what death has in store for us. We can either allow the fear of it to control our thoughts and minds, in which case we never find peace in the grave. Or, we can be rulers over our fears and experience the peace and joy that comes in death by experiencing the sabbath the way God commanded us.

Now look, the really awesome part about the sabbath is that it also shows us the beginning of a new day. The first day of the week. I believe the first day represents us awakening or arising from the seventh day of rest. In which we have become refreshed and ready to continue working in all of God's creation.

I don't believe that when we die that's the end of it. I believe that as the sabbath shows us, that when our work is done we go to a place of rest. This rest is in peace and peace is in Christ, who is in God. When we die we go to God for rest.
When the day of rest is over, that is the first day of the week, we wake up and begin anew, gathering and collecting and plowing and sowing. And when we come to the sixth day of the week, before the sabbath comes, we are to go out and gather and collect twice as much to sustain us through the day. Because there is no work in the grave.

Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

There is rest. There is peace. There is comfort.

There is something very deep and very significant about this day, so much so that God commanded it to be a law.
Could it be that death only has power over us if we give into the fear of it? But if we learn to control our fears and turn them into joys, then death will have no pwer over us, that it will be a joyful rest, and we will rise again.

Maybe as long as fear has it's chains on us we can't rise?

How many examples and how many times does Christ lead us to death?
We have baptism, we have the cross, Paul says we die daily in tribulations and trials but they bring joy.
How many times are we told that they "gave up the ghost"? This seems as if it's a voluntary action. One in which they have prepared themselves and are ready to enter in.
How many people today are prepared and ready to offer up the ghost? They cling to life even though they are suffering, even though there isn't much time. They hold on because there is a fear of what is on the other side of life. What is death?

I believe in God's great mercy that in his plan for all mankind, God has shown man that there is nothing to fear but fear itself. And if you will keep my commandments and do as I say that you will see for yourself there is nothing to fear and that I keep my promises just as I keep my ordinances with the day and night.

Psa 119:90 Thy faithfulness [is] unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.
Psa 119:91 They continue this day according to thine ordinances: for all [are] thy servants.
Psa 119:92 Unless thy law [had been] my delights, I should then have perished in mine affliction.
Psa 119:93 I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me.

Jer 31:35 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Rev 14:1 ¶ And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

God keeps his promises. And He shows us very deep truths imbedded in His laws. He teaches us about life and He teaches us about death. How we should prepare for it and not have fear or bring along any excess baggage, but to find peace and Joy in that day.
He shows us and promises us a new day simply by watching the sun and moon and stars in the sky. That one day turns into another day, and there is always tomorrow.

We're all so caught up about arguing about whether it's saturday or sunday. Not everybody is going to die on a saturday, not everyone is going to die on a sunday.
But it does show us by repetition that someday we will die. And when we do we aught to be prepared.
Tell me we're not stubborn..Tell me learning how to overcome our fears isn't something we don't have to practice often...
God says take one day, this day, the same day I do, and do nothing, go nowhere, be still, be quiet. Rest, relax, find peace, be comforted. I'm here with you. Don't worry, don't fear. When tomorrow comes we will begin again.

I wish we could stop arguing about the outward appearance of things and really begin to look and understand the truth about why God gave us certain things to do and not do, and what it is He's trying to show us.
Not because we want to be right, but because we want to know more about him and what our relationship is with him. What does he want us to know and why?

I believe there is so much more to know. And the more we keep arguing the further from the truth we get.

I love you all
and I just wish we could find a way to get along together.
So little time and so much to learn.. Wink

With all my heart
Lone
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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

rom4:2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

9Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

14For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

15Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

18Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.

19And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:

20He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

22And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

james2:21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

lone-traveler · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject:

tss wrote:

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

yes i will agree but i don't see those things going on here in this discussion...we are and correct and rebuke falsehood...and reject false teachings...all with scripture...and to mark those that walk contrary to sound doctrine and avoid them...not pal with them...though i would have to guess that avoiding them would bring peace...but not unity...

so in HIM there is unity, but that unity must be based on purity in scripture...and there can be no unity with a doctrine that is known and exposed to be false...but rather come out from them...and the word gives those guideslines...

CHRIST doesn't hold hands with belial...nor should we...it has nothing to do with judging people...but weighing what is said and exposing unfound teachings...

that cause some strife...there is no way around it...but that strife is not as important as stopping false teachings from coming in to misguide and mislead the unread....

paul told tim to instruct in meekness...not weakness...and he told titus...

tit.1:10 for there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumsion(who hold to the o.t. law) whose mouth must be stopped who subvert whole houses teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

lone-traveler · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject:

I thought those of the circumcision were those of Abraham? that was the covenant God gave to him because of His faith. So that's confusing..anywhoo..

You know I'm refering to the overall attitude on the whole board of the forum. We all bring in something, how we understand it or how we believe it to mean.
But most times we don't discuss it we argue vehemently over ..everything.. Rolling Eyes

instead of calmly working together to investigate and find the truth in it.

There's been a lot of times I believed one way. Stuck to it for a long time, argued till I was blue in the face. Got all upset and worked up over it, just to find out..hey, maybe they got something there.. Rolling Eyes

Here is a good example of how we should behave:
1Cr 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Everyone will always have a different point of view. Everyone will always understand things in a different way.

All I'm saying is that during these times when we are gathered two or more of us together, to remember that He is in the midst of us. And that we should remember that we are in Him which is a place of Peace. On Holy Ground if you will.
We are supposed to remove our shoes before we walk here. And to be humble before the Lord and to show Love towrds eachother.
Even if we don't agree, we should not draw any swords and turn the Holy Ground into a battle field.

The shoes.. Idea

Having our feet shod with the preperation of peace. Our shoes are what prepare us to enter into peace. But once we have entered peace then we can remove our shoes and wash eachothers feet and find rest... Idea

I'm trying real hard to look beyond the outward appearance and to see the spirit of the truth inside the meaning of the sabbath.

We claim we want to live in peace and yet by our very words and deeds and actions we deny this.
How many come to this forum on a daily basis somewhere around 30 give or take. And even within just thirty we have trouble comunicating and discussing things peacably among eachother. And we claim we are christians and yet by our very words and deeds and actions we deny this.
How can we expect the world to live in peace if we can't even live in peace among ourselves?

I believe that if there is a disagreement, which there is DAILY...then we should be able to find a solution peacably to the questions that arise.
But bringing swords and hard words and accusations and snide remarks..all these things, do not show, in fact they deny the very foundation of christianity itself.
It is healthy to disagree because through disagreement we learn deeper truths about the truth itself. What is not healthy is not being able to reason, not being able to humble oneself if they through careful consideration learn that the way they had understood or had been taught is different than how it truly is.
And how do we know what the truth is without carefully considering everything that comes to the table?

I've been doing a lot of considering about the first day of the week. And I'm looking for the significance of why we come together on that day, what it is we do on that day?
How we are supposed to observe that day? etc...
I'm also considering the third day. There is a reason for everyday. Everyday has a significant meaning in itself.
We concentrate on saturday and sunday, what about the other 5 days? Why did God create 7 days and not 2?

I think we should lay everyday on the table and find the meaning in each one. But we can't do this if we're battling eachother at every turn we take.

To me the sabbath shows us how to prepare for death. How we should not fear it, how it is a time of rest and peace. And we can experience this death and find rest and peace in it, by partaking in the sabbath day.
I also believe that Christ is our sabbath day. That when we die in this world that we enter into his rest and his peace. And we should not live any longer as if we were still attached to this world, but live as if we were walking on Holy Ground.
I believe that there are many truths and many layers of truth which all lead us to Christ in God.

I believe that the first day of the week is a day we begin to gather together again. It is a sign in which new life has begun and we have risen from the dead and we participate in bringing in the new crop by collecting those who haven't found peace and truth yet. It is a time of celebration and a time of joy.

Where the sabbath is a time to be somber and quiet, the first day is a day of music and joy and celebration of our new life in Him.

I believe the other five days of the week is in the planting and in the sowing and the reaping and the seperating of wheat and tares and the gathering in again as the sabbath begins approaching.

But each day in itself has a significance.

Hsa 6:1 ¶ Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
Hsa 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Hsa 6:3 Then shall we know, [if] we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter [and] former rain unto the earth.

Now looking at this verse..it says in the third day he will raise us up. Is this refering to the first day of the week or another day? We know that Christ was raised on the first day of the week, this is our sunday. It is also the first day that God said, Let there be light.
But this says on the third day he will raise us up.
How does this fit in to the week? Does it fit in?
What significance does the second and third day have?

But unless we can lay down our swords and come together in peace and discuss these things, how will we ever know if they do have meaning or not?

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

actually lone HE said where to or more are gathered in MY name...

and we know the truth...HE said HE was the truth...

and your post doesn't stop the fact that we to rebuke false teachings and we know what they are because the bible tells us so...so i don't see your point...

nor do i agree tht we are to make peace with satans teachings...which are false doctrines...for example...

i can show what the sabbath for HIS people is, lone...it is not hard...it is in one little place in heb that tells plainly and clearly about it...

gal says pointedly that no one day is to be regarded above another...but no ma'am..that is not good enough...we must endure the same old run around time and again...which has been shown to be bunk(to quote golfjack...who i miss)...
so i no...i don't feel the need to eat at the table of idolatry to see if they offer something good...

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

but you know what...i reread your post and saw your point...we will try...

please know this...

lone-traveler · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject:

ok tss,

but I'm going to keep looking, and I'm going to keep digging. And I'm going to try to listen to what everyone has to say before I outright deny what it is their trying to say.
I'm going to try to be as polite as possible even if I agree or don't agree.
Because not everyone hears a psalm in the same key.
It's like a remake of a song. everybody adds a little to it and it takes on different tones and depths.
Because I sing this song in the key of C doesn't mean someone else can't sing it in the key of E. It's the same song but sounds different.
Then there are melodies that once had certain words put to it, and the melody stays the same and the words change.
So which is truth? The melody or the words in the melody?
And yet everyone brings a psalm. And it is brought for the purpose of edifying us together.
Some words don't fit with certain melodies and they need to be adjusted. It doesn't make them wrong just out of key.
But we need to take the time to adjust the sounds and that takes lots of patience and practice.
I'm practicing patience here. And looking for understanding and truth in everything.

Everything that has been created has been created by God for His purposes. There is a reason for everything and we experience everything in different ways.

Yes Tss,
Christ is the truth....and we are to get to know Him and every word that proceeds out of His mouth.
We are to Love Him with all our hearts minds and souls and to do what He tells us to do.
The truth is very deep. And Christ is the beginning and the end and everything in between.
It is this fullness in him that I'm trying to seek and to learn.
Jesus says...learn of me...and that's what I'm trying to do. And everyone helps eachother in many different ways. to learn of Him because He is truth. But we all don't come with the same revelation. He gives each of us a little so we can share in the understanding of the whole.

I'm not going to judge those "sunday worshippers" and I'm not going to judge those "sabbath keepers", I'm going to judge the truth which is in all those things and yet judge none of them at all. But to try in my most humble ability to understand the underlying spiritual meaning contained in them all.

God made them for a reason, and I believe they all have a message or many messages...
And He tells us to learn of him, so this is where I'm at.

God Bless
Lone
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