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lone-traveler
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Hi David,
I know what your saying too.. 
And that's why I'm not taking sides on the issue, I'm saying that I understand how physical water baptism is a manifestation of a spiritual truth that is taking place on the inside of a believer.
You can be water baptised and go on your way and never hear or read a single word of God's word. I don't know if that water baptism is going to absorb into a body as much as the spiritual words of God absorbs into our souls.
And yet you can have a person that is truly immersed in God's word having never recieved water baptism, which shows the outside hasn't been washed but the inside could be clean as a whistle.
Kind of like when Jesus was talking to the Pharisees about cleaning both the inside and outside of the cup. Maybe both are as important as the other.
One is a physical display of obedience that is outward in appearance and is a confession of faith of sorts. And the other is an internal spiritual obedience of being washed by the word of God.
That way we get shiny clean all over..inside and out
God Bless
Lone
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mag_dala55
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: Is not this the "Godhead?" |
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Does not God reveal the “Godhead” in the following?
There is only One True God as it “is written” in:
• Psa 86:10 For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: THOU ART GOD ALONE.
This One God is the Father:
• 1 Cor 8:6 But to us there is BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
God manifested Himself in the flesh:
• 1 Tim 3:16 KJV And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels…
Could it be that JESUS CHRIST is the GOD performing two ROLES, revealed on the CROSS?
1. Jesus in His FATHER’S role by declaring, “IT IS FINISHED” fulfilling His testament of salvation:
• Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, IT IS FINISHED: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
2. Jesus in His SON’S role by declaring, “My God, my God hast thou forsaken me?” showing the Way (John 14:6), by example (1 Pet 2:21), as model to the chosen (Rom. 8:29).
Conclusion:
• 1 Joh 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his SON JESUS CHRIST. THIS IS THE TRUE GOD…
Perfectly harmonizing with belief in One Lord and One God in:
• Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
• Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord…
• Psa 18:31 For who is GOD SAVE THE LORD? or who is a rock save our God?
• 1 Cor 8:6 But to us THERE IS BUT one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, by whom are all things, and we by him.
From the revelation of TRUTH as Jesus was nailed on the CROSS, to say "Jesus is God" is an understatement to His role as FATHER, for He is the very God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Simon Peter, John, James, Paul, and all the chosen of God.
Jesus Christ is God's TOTALITY for in Him dwelleth the fulness of the GODHEAD BODILY:
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the GODHEAD BODILY.
It is JESUS CHRIST that will meet the elect in heaven and to be with in eternity! |
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sofyst
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Is not this the "Godhead?" |
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| mag_dala55 wrote: | Does not God reveal the “Godhead” in the following?
There is only One True God as it “is written” in:
• Psa 86:10 For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: THOU ART GOD ALONE.
This One God is the Father:
• 1 Cor 8:6 But to us there is BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
God manifested Himself in the flesh:
• 1 Tim 3:16 KJV And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels…
Could it be that JESUS CHRIST is the GOD performing two ROLES, revealed on the CROSS?
1. Jesus in His FATHER’S role by declaring, “IT IS FINISHED” fulfilling His testament of salvation:
• Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, IT IS FINISHED: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
2. Jesus in His SON’S role by declaring, “My God, my God hast thou forsaken me?” showing the Way (John 14:6), by example (1 Pet 2:21), as model to the chosen (Rom. 8:29).
Conclusion:
• 1 Joh 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his SON JESUS CHRIST. THIS IS THE TRUE GOD…
Perfectly harmonizing with belief in One Lord and One God in:
• Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
• Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord…
• Psa 18:31 For who is GOD SAVE THE LORD? or who is a rock save our God?
• 1 Cor 8:6 But to us THERE IS BUT one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, by whom are all things, and we by him.
From the revelation of TRUTH as Jesus was nailed on the CROSS, to say "Jesus is God" is an understatement to His role as FATHER, for He is the very God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Simon Peter, John, James, Paul, and all the chosen of God.
Jesus Christ is God's TOTALITY for in Him dwelleth the fulness of the GODHEAD BODILY:
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the GODHEAD BODILY.
It is JESUS CHRIST that will meet the elect in heaven and to be with in eternity! |
Mag, this I can deal with a lot more than the anti-Biblical claim that Jesus is not God. Perhaps you should start a new thread on your Modalist beliefs. I would like to discuss them with you...
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Ryck
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Is not this the "Godhead?" |
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| sofyst wrote: |
Mag, this I can deal with a lot more than the anti-Biblical claim that Jesus is not God. Perhaps you should start a new thread on your Modalist beliefs. I would like to discuss them with you... |
Actually it is Trinity that's anti-Biblical. Nowhere in the NT can you find Jesus, the apostles, or disciples teaching, preaching, or otherwise carrying on a debate on the Trinity - something you already acknowledged yet continue to not come to grips with.
Since the Trinity is not found in the Bible, one has to wonder what non-Biblical sources Trinitarians are using for the basis for the Trinity dogma. |
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sofyst
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: |
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Ryck, haven't we been over this before. Do you honestly believe you are going to persuade me with this tired worn out response that you always give? Seriously dude, lets talk about something a little more enjoyable. What kind of beer do you like?
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:56 am Post subject: |
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so you are admiting that you can't answer rick honestly sofyst...sounds like an admit to defeat to me...from reading this thread i have seen rick offer insight and questions that have gone unanswered and avoided because they shed light on the folly of darkness...
or something like that...
keep it up rick....he has just shown he can't honestly respond to you, so he insult your post...
sofyst...please refrain from the put downs...it is distracting... |
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apocatastasis
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Sofyst, I enjoy many kinds of beers. I'm a sucker for Belgian style ales and I love me a hoppy american ale, but me also loves a quality lager, like a good, dark doppelbock. How about you?
How about you TSS?
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TBax
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Ryck,
Hi,
The statement is correct that some cannot be persuaded with true statements. The truth becomes tired and worn out to those that reject it.
Prov 23:9 Into the ears of a stupid one do not speak, for he will despise your discreet words.
Later.
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| well said...excuse me...i mean...well quoted... |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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tss, what's the deal?
Seems to me that you are behaving like another sower of strife that frequents this board. It isn't at all becoming.
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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sorry...i was just agreeing with the verse tbax quoted...and realized it applies a lot to me...so i was amening it...didn't know that would be a problem sir...
and as far as the other post...sorry...that is just how i see it that's all...sorry again... |
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Ryck
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| sofyst wrote: | Ryck, haven't we been over this before. Do you honestly believe you are going to persuade me with this tired worn out response that you always give?
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Now now, Sofyst. It is a valid response. If belief is supposed to be based on the mind's acceptance of what is true or real, then how is this belief supposed to stand on evidence that is not there? If you are making it stand just on sheer will of dogmatism, is it truely valid?
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Seriously dude, lets talk about something a little more enjoyable. What kind of beer do you like? |
If you like to talk about beers, there are appropriate sections in this discussion board you can start this topic. And I'll join you there enthusiastically!  But may I recommend that you not try to diminish this topic.
Peace |
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Ryck
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| TBax wrote: | Ryck,
Hi,
The statement is correct that some cannot be persuaded with true statements. The truth becomes tired and worn out to those that reject it.
Prov 23:9 Into the ears of a stupid one do not speak, for he will despise your discreet words.
Later. |
True that, unfortunately. |
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Ryck
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | so you are admiting that you can't answer rick honestly sofyst...sounds like an admit to defeat to me...from reading this thread i have seen rick offer insight and questions that have gone unanswered and avoided because they shed light on the folly of darkness...
or something like that...
keep it up rick....he has just shown he can't honestly respond to you, so he insult your post...
sofyst...please refrain from the put downs...it is distracting... |
Thanks, TSS. |
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