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lone-traveler
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 Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Hi RND,
Actually the bible says he sends his angels to seperate the tares and the wheat see:
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
So in order to seperate the wheat from the chaff you have to run it through the grinder.
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Maybe the ones we don't like we throw away and the ones we do like we keep...
It's happened before you know.. |
| Quote: | | Or, then again, maybe it's false teaching and doctrine masquerading as holiness, goodness and righteousness. Ah, but no surprise. Even Satan comes as an angel of light. |
And maybe that's what the king thought about Jeremiah and decided it wasn't worth listening to and burned it up in the fire.. 
You really have to weigh everything don't you?
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God adds punishment when iniquity abounds.
Could be the first set of commandments God gave to Moses had no curses...but when they sinned God added to it. |
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He does look..
Eze 20:19 I [am] the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
Eze 20:21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which [if] a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.
Eze 20:22 Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth.
Eze 20:23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;
Eze 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
Eze 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes [that were] not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
Eze 20:26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through [the fire] all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I [am] the LORD.
He made them fall by their own folly.
You notice this?
Eze 20:23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;
Eze 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
It was in the wilderness and before Mt Sinai that they weren't keeping God's word. And that's when basically they cut up His words and tossed them in the fire and they themselves were destroyed and scattered for not listening.
So then God tells Moses..I'm going to put it in stone so that they can't say they didn't know. And then I want you to cause them to write everything everywhere all the time so that they won't forget.
He gave them labour because they chose not to rest when God gave them rest.
They wanted to work even when God told them not to. Because they wanted to be justified by their own works and not sit still and let God work for them.
So He gave them work..yes indeed..lot's of it.
So that they would eventually get tired of working and ask for rest.
But anywhooo...God does say that he gave them works to do that were not good. So that by those works which they did with their own hands they would fall.
Because they was STUBBORN...
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So in the meantime I just keep on a workin at the millstone...siftin wheat...
It's a treasure hunt really... |
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I guess it all depends on who's doing the sifting, because Jesus told Peter that it was Satan who wanted to sift him, so it depends on who's grinding the wheel.
It all comes down to the hearing.
There's lots of sounds going on in the world, some good some bad. They come from everywhere. Out of nursery rhymes to great thinkers in the world.
And God says that out of the mouth of babes He will be praised.
God makes His Speech known around the world and through passages of time in whatever way He sees fit to communicate.
And He gives us ears to hear and eyes to see and the ability to speak and read and write so that we can communicate with eachother.
This world is blessed in so many ways..and a lot of times we just walk on by and miss the messages.
Whether it be good or bad is determined by how it is given one to hear it.
I enjoy talking with you RND I truly do.. 
God Bless
Lone
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45degreeN
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Has anyone else heard that Isaiah 18 also refers to the USA.
1Woe to the land shadowing with wings, which is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia:
2That sendeth ambassadors by the sea, even in vessels of bulrushes upon the waters, saying, Go, ye swift messengers, to a nation scattered and peeled, to a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden down, whose land the rivers have spoiled!
3All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign on the mountains; and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye.
Although the KJV does great damage to the original. Problem is in prophecy that when things aren't invented yet, so to describe them without the proper words it takes similes.
NO I cannot offer proof that this passage describes the USA, however my former teacher thought so.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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hey trav,
you think the ambassador who is sent in a vessel in bulrushes refers to moses and the bible??
Exd 2:3 And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch, and put the child therein; and she laid [it] in the flags by the river's brink.
that's interesting that it mentions the ark was daubed with slime and pitch...
Gen 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
we building the tower of babel here...?? 
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: |
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The USA will be the first to enforce the Mark of the Beast, which is of course, the National Sunday Law.
And, then they will make all the other nations comply.
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45degreeN
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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If the USA does it first it will simply be because we're the center of technology and we have the technology already.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| 45degreeN wrote: | | If the USA does it first it will simply be because we're the center of technology and we have the technology already. |
No, it is because the USA is the world's political & economics leader.
With the fall of Russia, the USA has claimed world leadership....(under the leadership of the Pope, of course).
The USA Supreme court is made up of mostly Catholics, which have and continue to make our Laws....laws which are slowly taking away civil and religious rights.
But then, the Bible predicted that to come....since the Bible predicted the Rome, would be the last world empire reigning, until Christ comes again.
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pato
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:45 am Post subject: Beast mark |
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| Quote: | | No, it is because the USA is the world's political & economics leader |
For now, but that's slowly wearing away...........
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Beast mark |
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| pato wrote: | | Quote: | | No, it is because the USA is the world's political & economics leader |
For now, but that's slowly wearing away........... |
Revelation, chapter 13 tells us that America, will lead the world in enforcing the Mark of the Beast scenerio.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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where does it say America???
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Steven3
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:57 am Post subject: Re: United States in revelations |
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Luxembourg is mentioned more times in the Bible than the USA. 
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | | where does it say America??? |
God uses the same principle as He always has......it is known by description.
No names.
Greece..... the Roman empire....The Catholic church.....the SDA church.....the Anti-Christ.....ect....ect....ect....ect...
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skyhaven
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: response to U.S. in End Times |
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| Although the U.S. is the mention directly in the Bible and many have tried to use scriptures such as Jer. 50 and 51 to prove that the U.S. in the end times, does not mean that the United States doesn't play a significant role. America is arguably the world's last super power, but the Bible clearly teaches that power will shift to Europe. How that happens is entirely up to us. The country was founded on biblical principals which have guided it up till now which means we can exit the world scene peacefully or by force. If the country had stayed on the course that it's founding fathers had put it on we would have had a peaceful exit but considering the current moral decay of the nation our exit from the world will now be by force. The sad thing about it is that we could changed it. America had the opportunity to lead the nations of the world into righteousness but instead it followed it into moral decay. Historically all nations or empires that followed this path have fallen and America is no different. It took the Roman Empire over 1000 years to reach the level of civil decay that has only taken us less than 300. |
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MoJo
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| skyhaven wrote: | | America is arguably the world's last super power, but the Bible clearly teaches that power will shift to Europe |
Can you point me to where the bible clearly teaches that?
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free fall
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I think that is a good question Mojo. I heard some people teach once that the U.S.A. was spoken about through out the Old Testament, but I have never been able to understand why they thought so. |
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MoJo
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Hi freefall. Nice to hear from you.
I think I have a few good questions, however nobody ever seems to want to answer them. LOL!
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