United States in revelations

lone-traveler · Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:01 am Post subject:

Thankyou Silver,

There's a lot in here too...you might want to take a stroll. I found it quite interesting.

God Bless
Lone
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RND · Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:28 am Post subject:

Hi RND,

You know what's funny though? Always there is truth mixed in with lies. Sometimes one is more dominant than the other. This site I found lot's of imagination, yet some good principles.
Not sure how I feel about UFO's. Just because I haven't seen one doesn't mean they do or don't exist. It just means I'm not aware of them.
He places a lot of emphasis on movie films. Star Wars, Jedi, like science fiction wrapped up with a religious cloak, or is it the other way around?.. Confused or disgusted

Like we talk about the Borg and the Matrix. They are visions from peoples thoughts ideas imaginations. It doesn't make them not true, just it hasn't materialized in any kind of "reality" that we can see.
Although I used to watch Lost in Space and June had a microwave oven. At the time it hadn't been invented yet.
Of course you can twist scriptures and prophecies to make them say what you think they say, and this has been happening since man ever learned how to use a pen. So, you never know who may have a small piece of the puzzle figured out that others may have overlooked.
Maybe what's true to me isn't necessarily true to you. But it holds some importance to the one reading it.
I don't think it hurts to look into the ideas and thoughts of other people as long as your standing on your own feet and not leaning on them for guidence.

It's interesting how he traces the lost tribes of Israel. And you never know could be some truth there as well.

But as far as US and Britain in prophecy, I've been reading about Ephraim and Manassah for a long time. I think it was the WWCOG that took this view. That was back in the 80's I guess. It's been a few years.

As far as Ireland and the Fiel Stone, I'd never heard of such things. So I keep an open mind, yet remain cautious because you never know what may come crawling out of the woodwork.. Rolling Eyes

LOL...

God Bless
Lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

RND · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:32 am Post subject:

Lone,

Just as long as you are careful and always keep in mind that if something cannot be confirmed and proven with scripture in some fashion then I would question the reliability of any teachings.

As for the whole "British/Israel" teaching of the WWCOG I understand it, but I am not 100% covinced of it. If I'm not mistaken Herbert W. Armstrong was also one who taught "sex with angels" stuff and I find -zero- proof in scripture to back up that notion.
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lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:58 am Post subject:

I suppose it depends on one's interpretation of "angel".

In Genesis we see angels comng down and mating with daughters of men creating a new "breed".

Half spirit Half flesh...
Maybe what was once only carnal now being mixed with spiritual...
Maybe they came down to make man in their image and likeness....

Lot's to consider...

I try to keep an open mind. If it's too narrow I miss a lot. If it's too wide then it's hard to determine good from bad....moderation... Very Happy

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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:54 am Post subject:

www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=124&letter=M

Manasseh
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Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

RND · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:23 am Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:36 am Post subject:

I guess it comes from Enoch.

He talks a lot about those that came down and mixed their seed with the seed of men until all men had become corrupted...

kind of like the wheat and tares. The world had become a field of tares and the only wheat in it was Noah and his family.

It's an example of where we're headed today.

The world is filled with corruption and led by evil spirits that are allowed to take up habitation in one's body and mind.
And then there are those who find grace in God's eyes are disposed of those evil spirits and God fills them up with His Spirit.

But even after they are saved they can still turn back and continue sinning...like Ham.
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

RND · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:54 am Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject:

Well,
way down at the bottom of this forum the book of Enoch has been supplied to look at.

It didn't come from the WWCOG. I don't believe they wrote the book.

from Wikipedia:

Outside of Ethiopia, the text of the Book of Enoch was considered lost until the beginning of the 17th century, when it was confidently asserted that the book was found in an Ethiopic translation there, and the learned Nicolas-Claude Fabri de Peiresc bought a book that was claimed to be identical to the one quoted by the Epistle of Jude (and the Epistle of Barnabas - Epistle xvi. 5) and by the Church Fathers Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origen and Clement of Alexandria. Hiob Ludolf, the great Ethiopic scholar of the 17th and 18th centuries, soon claimed it to be a forgery produced by Abba Bahaila Michael (Ludolf, "Commentarius in Hist. Aethip." p. 347).

I don't think the WWCOG was around at that time.. Confused or disgusted

From the Catholic Encyclopedia:

The Book of Henoch (Ethiopic)
The antediluvian patriarch Henoch according to Genesis "walked with God and was seen no more, because God took him". This walking with God was naturally understood to refer to special revelations made to the patriarch, and this, together with the mystery surrounding his departure from the world, made Henoch's name an apt one for the purposes of apocalyptic writers. In consequence there arose a literature attributed to him.

It influenced not only later Jewish apocrypha, but has left its imprint on the New Testament and the works of the early Fathers. The canonical Epistle of St. Jude, in verses 14, 15, explicitly quotes from the Book of Henoch; the citation is found in the Ethiopic version in verses 9 and 4 of the first chapter. There are probable traces of the Henoch literature in other portions of the New Testament.

Passing to the patristic writers, the Book of Henoch enjoyed a high esteem among them, mainly owing to the quotation in Jude. The so-called Epistle of Barnabas twice cites Henoch as Scripture. Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Origen, and even St. Augustine suppose the work to be a genuine one of the patriarch. But in the fourth century the Henoch writings lost credit and ceased to be quoted. After an allusion by an author of the beginning of the ninth century, they disappear from view.

You think if they found Enoch to be Apocrypha then they would have looked at Revelation the same way no?
But if you compare Enoch and Revelation they could walk hand in hand.
A lot of symbolism, destruction, redemption....

Maybe the WWCOG wrote the book of Revelation too.. Shocked

I don't even know if the wwcog is still in operation. I heard a few years ago they went out of service.
I don't know...like I say it's been a few years.

Hey there's a lunar eclipse tonight..the moon is supposed to appear blood red...cool huh?
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

RND · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject:

There's a lot of books in the Catholic Bible that isn't in the KJV either.

There's a lot of books..period.. Very Happy

Maybe the ones we don't like we throw away and the ones we do like we keep...

It's happened before you know..

Jeremiah chapter 36 about

Jer 36:21 So the king sent Jehudi to fetch the roll: and he took it out of Elishama the scribe's chamber. And Jehudi read it in the ears of the king, and in the ears of all the princes which stood beside the king.
Jer 36:22 Now the king sat in the winterhouse in the ninth month: and [there was a fire] on the hearth burning before him.
Jer 36:23 And it came to pass, [that] when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast [it] into the fire that [was] on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that [was] on the hearth.
Jer 36:24 Yet they were not afraid, nor rent their garments, [neither] the king, nor any of his servants that heard all these words.
Jer 36:25 Nevertheless Elnathan and Delaiah and Gemariah had made intercession to the king that he would not burn the roll: but he would not hear them.
Jer 36:26 But the king commanded Jerahmeel the son of Hammelech, and Seraiah the son of Azriel, and Shelemiah the son of Abdeel, to take Baruch the scribe and Jeremiah the prophet: but the LORD hid them.

Jer 36:27 ¶ Then the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, after that the king had burned the roll, and the words which Baruch wrote at the mouth of Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 36:28 Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah hath burned.
Jer 36:29 And thou shalt say to Jehoiakim king of Judah, Thus saith the LORD; Thou hast burned this roll, saying, Why hast thou written therein, saying, The king of Babylon shall certainly come and destroy this land, and shall cause to cease from thence man and beast?
Jer 36:30 Therefore thus saith the LORD of Jehoiakim king of Judah; He shall have none to sit upon the throne of David: and his dead body shall be cast out in the day to the heat, and in the night to the frost.
Jer 36:31 And I will punish him and his seed and his servants for their iniquity; and I will bring upon them, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and upon the men of Judah, all the evil that I have pronounced against them; but they hearkened not.

Jer 36:32 ¶ Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words.

It's like watching Moses come down from Mt Sinai and breaking the first set of commandments.
And then God tells Moses, let's do this again.

But look what happens when Jeremiah is told to rewrite the prophecy.

knuckle · Young Wolf Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 501

Hi Lone--------

Sis I have said it before and I will say it again,I LOVE to watch you think.

much love---------knuckle

RND · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: