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lone-traveler
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 Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Thankyou Rev,
God Bless you too..
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | | But religion gives credit to the maker where science says there is none. |
This is a common misconception. Atheism says that there is no creator. Science is completely silent on the topic. There is no scientific evidence for or against the existence of God.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | Allow me to acknowledge Lone's post concerning evolution and creation. Very well said Lone and I agree immensely.
May the Lord bless you. |
But RevJP, some of the things Lone says are identical to what I've been saying.
For example,
| Lone wrote: | | I jus don't know why religion and science have such a hard time working together though. Because God says..look at what I'm doing, and science says..see what has been done.. |
How many times have I said that Christians should use science as a tool to help them better understand scripture?
Why do you like it when Lone says it, but not when I say pretty much the same thing?
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-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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I've never said I didn't like it when you said it P, I simply pointed out that Lone's post was wise, plus she recognizes that creationism is compatible with science which you firmly deny.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | I've never said I didn't like it when you said it P, I simply pointed out that Lone's post was wise, plus she recognizes that creationism is compatible with science which you firmly deny. |
I firmly deny that Young Earth Creationism is compatible with science.
As for regular creationism, it entirely depends on what you mean by 'compatible'. If you mean that it has not been scientifically refuted, then of course it is compatible with science.
If you mean taking things on faith despite a complete lack of evidence, then no, it is not compatible.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know why you keep mentioning YEC. I've certainly not spoken about it, at all, have I?
and as far as compatability is concerned, you know exactly what I mean as we have debated it though numerous pages and you have denied the concept at every turn. But now you seem to want to qualify your position for some reason.
Either you agree that creationism is compatible with science or you don't.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Why do you like it when Lone says it, but not when I say pretty much the same thing? |
maybe I say it prettier than you.. 
actually I wrote that post in response to what you said here:
| Quote: | | Just think about how many Christians have come to this board with completely misconstrued ideas about evolution, the Big Bang, abiogenesis, etc. This is because they were never exposed to the proper scientific sources. Their interpretations of these scientific ideas end up being complete caricatures, and that's really bad! |
I was just making a point that as a Christian, that shouldn't make one automatically labeled "completely miscontrued" about ideas which relate to those matters named above.
Just because I have never been exposed to the "proper scientific sources" that my interpretation of these scientific ideas end up being complete.."caricatures"..
I need to look that up..
basically to blow it out of proportion..ok..
| Quote: | | This is a common misconception. Atheism says that there is no creator. Science is completely silent on the topic. There is no scientific evidence for or against the existence of God. |
And I think I'm getting two forums meshed together here..because there is an argument going on somewhere...about not giving degrees to certain people in the science field...because...they have religious beliefs.
So if science is completely silent on the topic, then what difference does it make what ones belief system is based on? That's all P123.
If I as a christian choose to study in the field of science, what difference does it make if I have a faith in something? Can't I still be objective and reasonable?
I'm not picking on you P123, just trying to understand the reason why people are labeled a certain way is all. Not everybody likes vanilla, some like chocolate..some even like both. You have to base things on an individual basis.
Might be true that all athiests are against the idea of creation, but I don't think all creationists are against evolution. Not everybody thinks the same..
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| Quote: | | This is because they were never exposed to the proper scientific sources. |
I think I have the least amount of exposure to proper scientific sources on this board..LOL
That doesn't make me draw any conclusions, it actually frees my mind to consider more than what I'm told to think by some professor in a classroom. May not be grounded in absolutes and facts..HA..but neither is life..it's full of surprises.. 
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Lone
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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more wisdom...
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | | Quote: | | Why do you like it when Lone says it, but not when I say pretty much the same thing? |
maybe I say it prettier than you..
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Probably true... No, DEFINITELY true!
| lone-traveler wrote: |
actually I wrote that post in response to what you said here:
| Quote: | | Just think about how many Christians have come to this board with completely misconstrued ideas about evolution, the Big Bang, abiogenesis, etc. This is because they were never exposed to the proper scientific sources. Their interpretations of these scientific ideas end up being complete caricatures, and that's really bad! |
I was just making a point that as a Christian, that shouldn't make one automatically labeled "completely miscontrued" about ideas which relate to those matters named above.
Just because I have never been exposed to the "proper scientific sources" that my interpretation of these scientific ideas end up being complete.."caricatures"..
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Lone, I hope you don't think I was talking about you! In fact, I don't remember EVER thinking that you said something wrong about evolution.
By no means do I think that ALL Christians misconstrue evolution. I was simply stating that some of them do, and that we have seen our fair share of them on these boards.
But I wasn't talking about you!
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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ok P123,
but when you make an assumption about "christians"...
do me a little favour...remember I'm in that catagory too, as well as many others like me.
you know I luv ya.. 
Hugs
Lone
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | ok P123,
but when you make an assumption about "christians"...
do me a little favour...remember I'm in that catagory too, as well as many others like me.
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I tried to make it clear that I was only talking about some Christians, but I will try to be more careful in the future.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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