Christian and Gay

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA

P123... read the study, the doctor who discovered it clearly states that his discovery does not prove any biological cause for homosexuality but that it indicates that such is quite possible.

All in all, the headlines surrounding the story were much more exciting than the discovery itself, and they made a lot of assertions that the acutal study never made.
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Eddy · Little Guppy Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 39

But Rev JP, at what point does it become a sin?

Say, for the sake of argument that its proven without doubt that i cant help being gay anymore than i can help being born with 2 thumbs.

I cant help that im attracted to my boyfriend. Am i allowed to kiss him? Its wrong for a straight couple to have sex before marriage, but they can kiss cant they?

Or does it become a sin if we hold hands?

at what point does it become a sin?

Please dont think im being argumentitive for the sake of it. I'm genuinly interested in, and respectful of, your opinion.

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

there is a problem with your questions eddy?...

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA

What is sexual sin Eddy? The answer to that question applies to all, not just hetro or homoseuxals.

Is kissing a sin? Highly doubtful.

Other sexual activities are the question then, aren't they? Unfortunately I am not qualified to answer what manner of petting, necking, foreplay, etc, is a sin for everyone, some would find petting sinful, some would not. I think the holy spirit would be in charge of convicting someone, not me.
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Eddy · Little Guppy Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 39

What problems?

Eddy · Little Guppy Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 39

I agree with you JP

P1234567890 · Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:25 am Post subject:

Isn't the sin of sexuality outside of marriage all about the lust in one's heart?
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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

yep...

sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

Eddy, which acts within heterosexual couples, outside of marriage, do you consider to be sin?

Two areas should be addressed. P123 (of all people) brought up the first one. That being of lust. If you deny that lusting after your boyfriend is sin, then you are clearly wrong. No matter if you were born homosexual, you are in the same boat as heterosexuals that are explicitly forbidden to lust.

The second area is that of the subjective acts that are considered. This was brought up by Jp. In some relationships kissing is perfectly harmless, in others it is sin. It becomes sin when two people (homosexual or heterosexual) cannot do it without lusting after each other. Some people cannot even hold hands without lusting. For them then holding hands would be sinful.

I think we would have to find a common denominator between it all. What would be the one act, whether homo or hetero that is definitely considered to be sexual sin if outside the bounds of a God ordained marriage (not just state approve - many heterosexual marriages are state approved but God damned). I would present that it is intercourse.

But then, within my mind, I would attempt to argue with myself (as I do so often) that it is at least theoretically possible to have intercourse and not lust or not sin.

I would back this up with the case of rape. If a woman is raped, did she sin? I would claim she did not. Therefore, this would posit a situation wherein intercourse is not sin.

Dang this is a clouded issue.

And just so you know, ANYONE who supports the moronic baboons that carry the placards claiming 'God Hates Fags' is a pagan fool ignorant of Scripture them self. And this is not a mellow believe-all liberal stand to take. Nowhere will you find examples or approval of such blatantly debaucherous idiocy that can only be birthed from a Satanic heart foreign to godly principles and love. It is anti-Christ.
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P1234567890 · Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:27 am Post subject:

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA

P123... you have a point, but I would point out that it does not change the truth in what sofyst has offered.

sofyst, I would not stop at intercourse, but also include oral sex. It seems to me that it is entirely possible to have intercourse and not lust, but I find it difficult to accept that people can engage in oral sex (give or recieve) which does not involve lust in some fashion. IMO.
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sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

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Nobby · Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject:

sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

HA! I knew this to be a hard topic to discuss without being the brunt of jokes. But I don't care...bring it on. I am more than secure to speak of such, and take ridicule.

Show me your best Nobby...BRING IT! Very Happy

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