Christian and Gay

Eddy · Little Guppy Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 39

It's my opinion, that WAY too much of the debate is lost in the rights and wrongs of what, ultimatly, is a personal and private choice.

I think a LOT of Christians use the Bible to condem homosexuality, not because they are concerned for the well being of another human being, but because they have preconcieved notions of what homosexuality stands for, just as a LOT of homosexuals condem Christanity as homophobic because of their own preconcieved ignorance.

I HATE the way gay men are represented in the media. It's insulting and inaccurate and leads to a LOT of misunderstandings and gives ignorant people a stick with which to beat us.

I KNOW I am loved by Jesus Christ, I KNOW I was made gay, believe me, I struggled, prayed, self harmed, drank, did drugs, disrespected my body for 25 years until I stopped running and learnt to accept what God made me. I did not, and do not want to be gay. Be under no illusions, tere is NO choice in my sexuality, it is not my upbringing, it is not for attention, it is not to be different.

It is the way God made me, if thats something people cant get their heads around then I trust you'll take my word for it. I have the scars too prove it.

P1234567890 · Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Christian and Gay

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

Eddy · Little Guppy Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 39

. How come Christians are so anti-gay, but then they aren't out there killing people who work on Sundays?

I think the image of Christians being anti-gay dosent come from Christians who are concerned with the welfare of others, i believe it comes from people with a pre-informed, ill-judged opinion of what it means to be homosexual.

My dad is a strict...very strict Catholic. He believes its wrong for me to be in a relationship. We have discussed it, but it dosent come up anymore. why? because he is not obsessed with what i do in my relationships. He has his beliefs, i respect them, like he respects mine. I've seen Christians on demos holding placards "God hates fags"...impossible...God made fags. That gives the wrong impression of what it means to be a Christian just like, in my opinion George Michael and Elton John give the wrong idea of what it is to be gay.

I do believe that the people who show anger and hate towards gays are people struggling with their own deamons. I was the most homophobic person in my teens. The hard nut skinhead who beat up the lads in school we decided we're poofs. Why should someone else care if someones gay. why should i care if my brother prefers blondes to brunettes? why should someone care if i prefer men to women?

Eddy · Little Guppy Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 39

I DIDNT want to be gay because, my understanding of my Catholic upbringing was that it was un-natural, disgusting, shameful, abnormal and wrong.

I DONT want to be gay because life would be SO much easier if I was straight. I could hold the hand of the person I loved walking down the street without attracting hate. I could have children without people questioning my suitability as a father and using cleverly disguised arguments to associate homosexuality with peaodephilla.

P1234567890 · Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Christian and Gay

Eddy · Little Guppy Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 39

Because they think that you're sinning, and religion is all about projecting your own views and judgments onto others.[/quote]

P1234567890 · Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Christian and Gay

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6826 Location: USA

God didn't make anyone gay, but that is not to say that people aren't born gay - I genuinely accept that much of homosexuality is biological, and that some is environmental.

However, that really doesn't matter as the scriptural truth is NONE of us are the image of the original creation of God. Adam's sin introduced corruption into the world, we are all born as a corrupted version of God's original creation, that is why we have disease, birth defects, mental illness, et al.

Is homosexuality natural? Sure, why not. But what is natural to us is corrupt to God.

Eddy · Little Guppy Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 39

Yeah, I agree Rev JP

Just because its my desire to have a relationship with a man dosent necessarly make it okay for me to sleep with a man. Futhermore, the fact that every major religion teaches against homosexual practices means, to me at least that its a very foolish person who dismisses it as rubbish without first considering the possible consequences of their actions.

What makes me sad though is the Christian groups who vilify homosexuality, make it something to be ashamed of, make young gay people feel abnormal and sinful. We're all on our own path, and there is a lot of evil in the world making a lot of peoples lives miserable. With so much need, and death and destruction, why would a religious person, in the name of God, focus in on my sexuality as something that needs to be stopped.

Why would a Christian prefer a child to be brought up in institutional care rather than allow a gay couple to raise it, giving the child someone whos looking after them out of love, not because its their job.

I cant help being gay, i cant help being attracted to my boyfriend.At what point does that become wrong do you think?

When i look at him?
When we touch?
When we kiss?
When does it become a sin. And why are so many religious people so bothered by it when there are, after all much more destructive sins

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6826 Location: USA

I can't speak for what 'christians' think or feel. I can only speak for the the truth of scripture.

Homosexual orientation is not a sin. Homosexual activity IS a sin.

I personally welcome any gay, celibate, christians into my fellowship.

Celibate? Why celibate? simply because the commission of known sin is something that cannot be accepted, or tolerated, in the Body of Christ. In that same vein I would not accept or tolerate an active adulterer in my fellowship, or a liar, a cheat, a drunkard, a drug user, a slanderer, et al.

If one committs known sin, and does so willingly, then one is not walking in the spirit of God. If they repent, then they are welcome.

Sorry, that's just what I see scripture stating about Church discipline and fellowship.

P1234567890 · Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject:

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6826 Location: USA

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

amen jp...to every post..

P1234567890 · Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: