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FFT
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Quick google for "anti Hovind" = 144,000 (wow... thats scary... wonder if there is something to that... could these actually be the ones mention in the book of Revo... um... aahhh.. nah.. never mind) |
141,000 for me, but that would be oddly poetic.
If you put it in quotes there are 566 results 
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: New Christian - ex new age |
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| lovemore wrote: |
I see much of the devil's "New Age" lies still pervading our culture and churches. I hope to expose some of them and get people saved. |
Ooops... I guess that means your initial steps into Christianity were based on the lies of a now-convicted felon... 
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: New Christian - ex new age |
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You can laugh and jest all day long... he has introduced countless thousands to the problems of evolution and its impact on our society.
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...Only for some people who are not scientists.
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Like I mentioned before... it was his effectiveness that scared the snot out those who disagree with him... not necessarily his message, but those who now have an understanding of what is really going on, are vocal about their opposition to it, and are not accepting this garbage without at least questioning it anymore... that is what scares the snot out of our intellectual elites. They no longer have a corner on the information market or ideas (thanks to the internet) and are in a panic as evidenced by the number of websites decrying the 'evils' of Kent.  |
Lack of respect for intellectuals and academia is a pretty big problem in todays world. Once upon a time, intellectuals got the respect which they deserved... In some parts of the world, they still respect knowledge and intellect.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: New Christian - ex new age |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | ...Only for some people who are not scientists. |
Um... that wasn't his audience when giving his presentation. He would debate 'scientists'... and any objective analysis of the majority of these debates would clearly demonstrate that he 'ate their lunch.'
Some of them, I actually started to feel sorry for the evolutionists... 
| Quote: | | Lack of respect for intellectuals and academia is a pretty big problem in todays world. Once upon a time, intellectuals got the respect which they deserved... In some parts of the world, they still respect knowledge and intellect. |
It is a problem? Deserved?
Knowledge and intellect are still respected... it is the way it has been abused that has led us to this point.
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‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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FFT
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Um... that wasn't his audience when giving his presentation. He would debate 'scientists'... and any objective analysis of the majority of these debates would clearly demonstrate that he 'ate their lunch.' |
And, as I have pointed out to you in the past, it is extremely easy to destroy someone in a debate if you're not worried about sticking to the truth or if you're not phased a lick by the words they get in edgewise proving you wrong.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:43 am Post subject: Re: New Christian - ex new age |
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| Trinity1 wrote: |
Um... that wasn't his audience when giving his presentation. He would debate 'scientists'... and any objective analysis of the majority of these debates would clearly demonstrate that he 'ate their lunch.' |
Did he even once debate with a credible authority on evolution?
If so, I'd like to see a video or a transcript, because I just don't believe that creationists ever win objectively-judged debates with expert evolutionists. It just never happens.
The opposite is definitely true, though. Richard Dawkins once debated the Archbishop of York, and it was a complete humiliation of the creationist position. One disconsolate clergyman who saw it even scored it, "Lions: 10, Christians: Nil".
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-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | as I have pointed out to you in the past, it is extremely easy to destroy someone in a debate if you're not worried about sticking to the truth or if you're not phased a lick by the words they get in edgewise proving you wrong. |
Yeah, we see that on this board all the time.
| FFT wrote: | | Archbishop of York |
Who is he? A scientist?
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Yeah, we see that on this board all the time. |
It's certainly attempted all the time. The internet, however, is pretty much the worst place for the method — every statement a person makes can be separated and rebuked and fact checked, there isn't some time limit.
Why do you think so many of my responses turn into gigantic blocks of quote-response?
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: Re: New Christian - ex new age |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Did he even once debate with a credible authority on evolution? |
No... they were all pretty much sophmores enrolled at the loca lcommunity college...
| Quote: | | If so, I'd like to see a video or a transcript, because I just don't believe that creationists ever win objectively-judged debates with expert evolutionists. It just never happens. |
THIS page here has several of his debates. Even one with Michael Shermer... who got creamed...
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: New Christian - ex new age |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | THIS page here has several of his debates. Even one with Michael Shermer... who got creamed... |
The link given doesn't work, but here it is on google video.
I'll give it a watch 
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: New Christian - ex new age |
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| FFT wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | THIS page here has several of his debates. Even one with Michael Shermer... who got creamed... |
The link given doesn't work, but here it is on google video.
I'll give it a watch |
You're right... there are two other ones that are not working from that site... Thansk for this link. You'll enjoy it.
Shermer is a brilliant man... but he fails miserabley here.
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FFT
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I like how Hovind insists that the theory of evolution "leads straight to ... abortion."
Abortion has been around way, way longer than ideas about evolution.
| Trinity1 wrote: | | Shermer is a brilliant man... but he fails miserabley here. |
Winning a debate says little about how factual a position is.
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FFT
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I count one reference to taxpayer money supporting evolution (as a religion in schools of course)
Edit: Two references!
Edit 2: There was a third while I edited
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: New Christian - ex new age |
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| Trinity1 wrote: |
Knowledge and intellect are still respected... it is the way it has been abused that has led us to this point. |
Trinity, I like you and you're a good guy, but you have an EXTREME disrespect for academia, learning, and science. You believe that virtually all of the thousands of atomic physicists, evolutionary biologists, geneticists, geologists, astronomers, cosmologists, zoologists, and many other gists are totally full of b.s. and that many of the core theories they believe in are all totally wrong...
Academia and intellectuals are definitely not respected by creationists. Heck, they're not even respected by the average members of society.
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-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: New Christian - ex new age |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: | | Did he even once debate with a credible authority on evolution? |
No... they were all pretty much sophmores enrolled at the loca lcommunity college...
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Even IF the guy was able to make some undergrads look bad, that hardly qualifies as a praiseworthy victory...
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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