sons of God

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:25 am Post subject: sons of God

Ok, Jesus says that Prophecy was until John came, and that after John came, came truth.

I wanted to check out Prophecy and then compare with the manifestation of those prophecies...
Let's see if we can find a theme...
Or maybe some evidence that these prophecies were filled..

Prophecy...and there only just verses we can look the whole story of each one as we go along...

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

At this point Jesus says Prophecy ends and truth is revealed.

Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Phl 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1Jo 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Is there a way to combine the prophecies with the truth of them?

time to open the eyeballs... Very Happy

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45degreeN · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:38 am Post subject:

Lone-Traveler: Please, please don't do this.

First off none of those OT and NT verses were prophecy, they were just a collection of disconnected thoughts united by the single word "sons." This is hardly the first time you have chosen to do this for a thread. Your lumping together things that aren't normally connected at all, and there is no sense to be made out of it in the first place.

Remember context is very important and after that the actual word used in the original. If you want to follow the idea of the "sons of God" used in the Gen 6:2 then you need to understand the concept of nephalim which is variously translated giants but strictly speaking there is no English equivalent. While this is in fact connected to the second verse in gen 6:4 (they are in context with each other) and the translation uses the term 'giants' here.KJV has a tendency to not use the same word twice in one sentence or paragraph that is why in this instance two separate words are used in the English instead of just one.

But that is the last time in scripture nephalim is used. They died during Noah's flood and therefore no other reference to them has any legitimate connection. So when the term "sons of God" is used some other place in scripture, it uses a different Hebrew word and has no connection to the first instance that it is found. That is one of the weaknesses of using a concordance for such searches.

Everyone here loves the energy and poetry you bring to this forum, but it is important that you grow up and learn to use the tools properly for your own development. To me you are a sister in the Lord and I treasure you very much. Find an local teacher who can bring you up in the tools for understanding scripture, you will greatly benefit by it.

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject:

thanks trav,

It's funny you mention that they died out in the flood...
I'll have to keep that in mind.

nephalim....giants, men of great stature...like the Philistines?
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lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject:

You know,
the more I think about it and study it the more it makes sense.

God didn't destroy the world with a flood because of the Sons of God. He destroyed it because mens imaginations and thoughts were all evil.

In the book of revelation it says that an angel is sent with the everlasting gospel to preach to the world. And angels are seen to come down and minister unto men. And as we look through the veil back into the darkness of those days, we see what they saw without the light of truth.

Now doing a comparison of the Sons of God, which we are if we believe that Christ died for us, then we go out and minister to the world the truth about leaving the flesh and walking in the spirit.
We plant "seeds" and create those that are saved through the "seed" of the gospel.
But it doesn't yet appear what we shall be, but we know that we shall be like Him when He appears.
Now go look in the book of revelation and see what he looks like, and then compare that with the giants of reknown in the days before the flood.

stature of Christ..hmm

Jesus sent the disciples two by two into the world to convert men from their fleshly sins to the spirit of righteousness.

But men in their evil imaginations and wicked thoughts, believed these to be devils come "down"? from heaven?
Heaven is up last I knew.
And they ignored the warnings to come out of the world around them and walk in righteousness, and so God took them all away with the flood. like babylon..

But he saved a few. Because we see them again when Caleb goes to check out the promised land..
And there are those that bring back an evil report saying that the fruit is plenteous but we can't fight the giants.

And I begin to wonder if those who are "coming up" to scope out the land maybe are the devils coming up out of the pit.
Because they are told to go up the mountain and check out the land.

They are to go into the promised land, the promised land is Zion. Zion is already inhabited by giants men of reknown but these are sent to overthrow them.

Jhn 3:31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

Jhn 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

The Sons of God come down to the daughters of men.
They have power over womens heads because of the angels.

But it's the angels that left their first estate that are reserved in everlasting darkness...those that are blind and deaf and dumb.
The spirits of wickedness in places of authority..high places..places in government..but they are of the earth and not of spirit. They take on the bodies of men and infest them and create diseases in them..the devils and demons that get cast out by the Apostles and disciples...

like the devils that got cast out and sent into the swine and they went over the cliff and were destroyed.

Looking at swine..

Mar 5:11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.

where are they? next to the mountains..

Num 13:17 ¶ And Moses sent them to spy out the land of Canaan, and said unto them, Get you up this [way] southward, and go up into the mountain:
Num 13:18 And see the land, what it [is]; and the people that dwelleth therein, whether they [be] strong or weak, few or many;
Num 13:19 And what the land [is] that they dwell in, whether it [be] good or bad; and what cities [they be] that they dwell in, whether in tents, or in strong holds;
Num 13:20 And what the land [is], whether it [be] fat or lean, whether there be wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land. Now the time [was] the time of the firstripe grapes.
Num 13:21 ¶ So they went up, and searched the land from the wilderness of Zin unto Rehob, as men come to Hamath.
Num 13:22 And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, [were]. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.)

the anakim...

Easton's Bible Dictionary
Anakim the descendants of Anak ( Jos 11:21; Num 13:33; Deu 9:2). They dwelt in the south of Palestine, in the neighbourhood of Hebron ( Gen 23:2; Jos 15:13). In the days of Abraham ( Gen 14:5,6) they inhabited the region afterwards known as Edom and Moab, east of the Jordan. They were probably a remnant of the original inhabitants of Palestine before the Canaanites, a Cushite tribe from Babel, and of the same race as the Phoenicians and the Egyptian shepherd kings. Their formidable warlike appearance, as described by the spies sent to search the land, filled the Israelites with terror. They seem to have identified them with the Nephilim, the "giants" ( Gen 6:4; Num 13:33) of the antediluvian age. There were various tribes of Anakim ( Jos 15:14). Joshua finally expelled them from the land, except a remnant that found a refuge in the cities of Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod ( Jos 11:22). The Philistine giants whom David encountered ( 2Sa 21:15-22) were descendants of the Anakim. ( See GIANTS T0001474.)

warlike appearance:

Eph 6:10 ¶ Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Eph 6:20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
I suppose that could look pretty intimidating.. Confused or disgusted

I don't know, but I see a battle coming between the children of Israel and the children of Abraham.

Now both have been given the promise of the promised land.

And it is possible they are shepherd kings from the land of Egypt, Pheonician, Babel, and Canaan..I have four here..

And in the NT God opens the door of salvation to the Gentiles.

Egypt didn't like shepherds if I recall...they were sent to another part..Goshen..and they were left pretty much alone.

Gen 46:33 And it shall come to pass, when Pharaoh shall call you, and shall say, What [is] your occupation?
Gen 46:34 That ye shall say, Thy servants' trade hath been about cattle from our youth even until now, both we, [and] also our fathers: that ye may dwell in the land of Goshen; for every shepherd [is] an abomination unto the Egyptians.

so then these must be the misfits of society hanging in the mountain and in the promised land...

1Cr 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

I do not see the Sons of God spoken of in Genesis as evil demons that left heaven and fornicated with humans to make a superior race of halfbreed flesh/spirit beings.

I see Spirit filled beings coming down and spreading the word of God among men to turn them from their evil ways before the flood comes.

You can look at it however you like..but I see it as a fulfilling of prophecy..the end from the beginning.

And out of all those that were destroyed for their wickedness..
Noah found grace in the eyes of God.

Just like the angels rescued Lot from Sodom, So the Sons of God saved Noah from the flood.

That's how I see it..

Moses ...Moses..

Num 13:1 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 13:2 Send thou men, that they may search the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel: of every tribe of their fathers shall ye send a man, every one a ruler among them.
Num 13:3 And Moses by the commandment of the LORD sent them from the wilderness of Paran: all those men [were] heads of the children of Israel.

twelve men..one sent from every tribe of their fathers to search out the land.

And only two returned with a good report...Let's go get them!

two heads of all the tribes of Israel...

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

working on the Moses' law thing...

I don't believe the Sons of God were evil. I believe men saw them as evil and passed down that false illusion.

we shall see..

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Jhn 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

Confused or disgusted

You don't have to agree with what I find..sometimes I don't either..

Why if God gave the promised land to Abraham because Abraham had faith and righteousness before the Lord, would he then turn around and give it Moses through the works of the law...Moses' Law...

Even Moses didn't recieve the promise..he died this side of Jordan. He didn't cross over.

looking at the law of the manslayer who gets to find refuge in an outer city until the congregation comes together for judgment day...

At least I'm not afraid to look at all sides..whether they make sense or not..I'm not taking anybodies word for it..I'm diggin.

God Bless
Lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.