I don't know where to ask this..

lone-traveler · Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: I don't know where to ask this..

Can someone tell me the difference between Leprosy and AIDS.

I was looking at some pictures of the symptoms and it appears that they both share a common "raising of red spots" in the skin.

I was wondering if there was any connection? And if the AIDS of today is the Leprosy of yesterday?

http://www.lib.uiowa.edu/hardin/Md/ui/leprosy.html

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Kaposi%27s_Sarcoma.jpg

the first one is a picture of leprosy in the skin, and the second one is the AIDS virus...

thanks
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RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA

Medically there are no comparisons between leprosy and AIDS, metaphorically I suppose one could make a comparison though.

Logically there is a comparison:

Leprosy is a disease, some people get it, some don't. AIDS is a disease, some people get it, some don't.
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lone-traveler · Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:30 am Post subject:

I was trying to figure out the origin...

talkin to Moses here: it's the first time it's recorded in the bible.

Exd 4:6 And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand [was] leprous as snow.
Exd 4:7 And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his [other] flesh.
Exd 4:8 And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign.

now I'm looking at that picture of leprosy and it doesn't look like snow to me...maybe I'm not looking close enough.. Confused or disgusted

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lone-traveler · Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:51 am Post subject:

that's very interesting P123,

so then in some cases AIDS comes before leprosy...

But lepers don't necessarily have AIDS and AIDS victims don't necessarily get leprosy...

Could the leprosy of the bible have been caused by AIDS?

I'm just delving into all kinds of thoughts here P..

viral infections and bacterial infections are different...

and some infections you can take anti-biotics with and others you can't....

(yesterday I wanted to be a scientist..today I want to be a doctor).. Rolling Eyes

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lone-traveler · Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:55 am Post subject:

Frequency:

In the US: An estimated 500,000 new Hansen disease cases are identified each year, with 96 new cases reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the United States in 2002.
Internationally: It is estimated that approximately 15 million persons in the world, mainly in the equatorial regions/tropical countries of Asia, Africa, and South America, have the greatest number of cases. Most cases come from 55 countries where the disease continues to be endemic. In 2002, the World Health Organization (WHO) listed those countries reporting the most cases (90%) as Brazil, Madagascar, Mozambique, Tanzania, and Nepal. In 2002, the number of new cases worldwide was 763,917.

Mortality/Morbidity: Worldwide, 1-2 million persons are estimated to be permanently disabled as a result of Hansen disease. Serous complications of leprosy are seen because of involvement of the peripheral nerves of the hands and feet leading to crippling contractures, trauma, and infections due to anesthetic areas of the body. The eyes frequently are affected with lagophthalmos, loss of eyebrows, corneal exposure, keratitis, uveitis, scleritis, leproma of the conjunctiva and sclera, retinal pearls, and loss of sensation with corneal ulceration with scaring. Amyloidosis of the kidney with death is a result of renal failure. Ocular manifestations occur primarily in the lepromatous form, and their age incidence is related to the duration of the disease, immune response of the host, and treatment.

Race: There are no statistics regarding racial variations.

Sex: The disease affects males more than females.

Age: Any age can be affected.

Shocked

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sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

The reason aids affects more males than females is because of homosexuality, it is more prevalent in the male population of homosexuals.

Though, wouldn't it be true that AIDS affects more blacks than any other race? I had always thought that this virus was very prevalent in Africa, and if I'm not mistaken, isn't it made up of almost only black people?

Just wondering where you got your statistics...
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lone-traveler · Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:58 am Post subject:

Medicine from webmd is where I got the article on those statistics concerning Leprosy, Sofyst..

I'm having trouble linking..but I'll try..here

http://www.emedicine.com/

Hansen Disease...
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sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

Well there we go...I knew I was right about at least something... Very Happy

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Zathrus · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:45 am Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:19 am Post subject:

I was thinking...
one attacks from the outside and works it's way in.
and the other begins on the inside and works it's way out. Confused or disgusted

thanks Zath..

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Evee · Moderator Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 678

Lone,

I just love the way your mind works. Here's a link I thought you might like to read. Some people like to believe that AIDS originated w/homosexuals, but that is so untrue. It started in Africa w/chimpanzees.

According to the link & from what I understand, the disease strain crossed over when a chimp was hunted & then the hunter drank the blood or maybe the infected blood got into the man's bloodstream through a cut or wound.

http://www.avert.org/origins.htm
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lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject:

Hi Evee,

I was thinking about the man and the chimpanzee...
Hunting...hmm

Num 5:2 Command the children of Israel, that they put out of the camp every leper, and every one that hath an issue, and whosoever is defiled by the dead:

2Ki 5:27 The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper [as white] as snow.

we talk about hiding in the closet just trying to see if there's any relation or connection to different diseases that we have from age to age...or do they all have a "common" cause...

2Ki 7:8 And when these lepers came to the uttermost part of the camp, they went into one tent, and did eat and drink, and carried thence silver, and gold, and raiment, and went and hid [it]; and came again, and entered into another tent, and carried thence [also], and went and hid [it].

Now I know this is refering to finding those things which "the enemies" had left behind in the camps and fled..however...sometimes we get things and bring them home that are not very healthy to share with our families.

And they went from tent to tent collecting and hiding all these things.

Well, Aids is something that hides in the blood stream until it manifests itself.

And leprosy is also something that can hide in the skin and infect others also...

2Ki 15:5 And the LORD smote the king, so that he was a leper unto the day of his death, and dwelt in a several house. And Jotham the king's son [was] over the house, judging the people of the land.

what do you suppose a several house is? Confused or disgusted

2Ch 26:21 And Uzziah the king was a leper unto the day of his death, and dwelt in a several house, [being] a leper; for he was cut off from the house of the LORD: and Jotham his son [was] over the king's house, judging the people of the land.

Luk 4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.

Do we treat people with aids the same way they treated people with leprosy?

Lev 13:45 And the leper in whom the plague [is], his clothes shall be rent, and his head bare, and he shall put a covering upon his upper lip, and shall cry, Unclean, unclean.

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

just thinkin out loud...
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lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject:

I know you can read anything into anything if you put your mind to it...however, I don't know what kind of "services" the God of Rimmon required.
Like a lot of you say, there were many practices taking place in the countries around Israel that wasn't tolerated.

Just looking at this chapter about Naaman:

2Ki 5:1 ¶ Now Naaman, captain of the host of the king of Syria, was a great man with his master, and honourable, because by him the LORD had given deliverance unto Syria: he was also a mighty man in valour, [but he was] a leper.
2Ki 5:2 And the Syrians had gone out by companies, and had brought away captive out of the land of Israel a little maid; and she waited on Naaman's wife.
2Ki 5:3 And she said unto her mistress, Would God my lord [were] with the prophet that [is] in Samaria! for he would recover him of his leprosy.
2Ki 5:4 And [one] went in, and told his lord, saying, Thus and thus said the maid that [is] of the land of Israel.
2Ki 5:5 ¶ And the king of Syria said, Go to, go, and I will send a letter unto the king of Israel. And he departed, and took with him ten talents of silver, and six thousand [pieces] of gold, and ten changes of raiment.
2Ki 5:6 And he brought the letter to the king of Israel, saying, Now when this letter is come unto thee, behold, I have [therewith] sent Naaman my servant to thee, that thou mayest recover him of his leprosy.
2Ki 5:7 And it came to pass, when the king of Israel had read the letter, that he rent his clothes, and said, [Am] I God, to kill and to make alive, that this man doth send unto me to recover a man of his leprosy? wherefore consider, I pray you, and see how he seeketh a quarrel against me.
2Ki 5:8 ¶ And it was [so], when Elisha the man of God had heard that the king of Israel had rent his clothes, that he sent to the king, saying, Wherefore hast thou rent thy clothes? let him come now to me, and he shall know that there is a prophet in Israel.
2Ki 5:9 So Naaman came with his horses and with his chariot, and stood at the door of the house of Elisha.
2Ki 5:10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.
2Ki 5:11 But Naaman was wroth, and went away, and said, Behold, I thought, He will surely come out to me, and stand, and call on the name of the LORD his God, and strike his hand over the place, and recover the leper.
2Ki 5:12 [Are] not Abana and Pharpar, rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel? may I not wash in them, and be clean? So he turned and went away in a rage.
2Ki 5:13 And his servants came near, and spake unto him, and said, My father, [if] the prophet had bid thee [do some] great thing, wouldest thou not have done [it]? how much rather then, when he saith to thee, Wash, and be clean?
2Ki 5:14 Then went he down, and dipped himself seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God: and his flesh came again like unto the flesh of a little child, and he was clean.
2Ki 5:15 ¶ And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that [there is] no God in all the earth, but in Israel: now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.
2Ki 5:16 But he said, [As] the LORD liveth, before whom I stand, I will receive none. And he urged him to take [it]; but he refused.
2Ki 5:17 And Naaman said, Shall there not then, I pray thee, be given to thy servant two mules' burden of earth? for thy servant will henceforth offer neither burnt offering nor sacrifice unto other gods, but unto the LORD.

(man is of the earth...earthy and they ride upon mules)

2Ki 5:18 In this thing the LORD pardon thy servant, [that] when my master goeth into the house of Rimmon to worship there, and he leaneth on my hand, and I bow myself in the house of Rimmon: when I bow down myself in the house of Rimmon, the LORD pardon thy servant in this thing.

when I bow down myself...become submissive..a servant to his master???

2Ki 5:19 And he said unto him, Go in peace. So he departed from him a little way.

2Ki 5:20 ¶ But Gehazi, the servant of Elisha the man of God, said, Behold, my master hath spared Naaman this Syrian, in not receiving at his hands that which he brought: but, [as] the LORD liveth, I will run after him, and take somewhat of him.
2Ki 5:21 So Gehazi followed after Naaman. And when Naaman saw [him] running after him, he lighted down from the chariot to meet him, and said, [Is] all well?
2Ki 5:22 And he said, All [is] well. My master hath sent me, saying, Behold, even now there be come to me from mount Ephraim two young men of the sons of the prophets: give them, I pray thee, a talent of silver, and two changes of garments.

the earth on the mules recieving the diseased clothing?

2Ki 5:23 And Naaman said, Be content, take two talents. And he urged him, and bound two talents of silver in two bags, with two changes of garments, and laid [them] upon two of his servants; and they bare [them] before him.

Now two changes of garments...ok just tossin..

2Ki 5:24 And when he came to the tower, he took [them] from their hand, and bestowed [them] in the house: and he let the men go, and they departed.
2Ki 5:25 But he went in, and stood before his master. And Elisha said unto him, Whence [comest thou], Gehazi? And he said, Thy servant went no whither.
2Ki 5:26 And he said unto him, Went not mine heart [with thee], when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? [Is it] a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants?
2Ki 5:27 The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper [as white] as snow.

I was just comparing Naaman:

Luk 4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.

Now I'm not saying that Naaman was a homosexual even though he was bowing down before "other" gods.
But I'm not ruling it out either.
How did Naaman become a leper?

like I say just tossin..
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