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Trinity1
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FINALLY.
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
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apocatastasis
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, is "Dr." Carl Baugh" still around?
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| apocatastasis wrote: |
Hey, is "Dr." Carl Baugh" still around? |
He was in Decmber 2004... that is the last time I have seen him.
Why?
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apocatastasis
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It's just that the whole dinos walking with homos thing reminded me of Baugh's timeless Paluxy river spoof. Most creationist don't take him seriously anymore, correct?
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| apocatastasis wrote: | | It's just that the whole dinos walking with homos thing reminded me of Baugh's timeless Paluxy river spoof. Most creationist don't take him seriously anymore, correct? |
Oh. 
Have you been to Paluxy? Seen the tracks? Been to Tuba City Arizona? Seen that track? Have you investigated the Kentucky coal seam tracks?
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apocatastasis
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I've seen none of them. Why do you ask?
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Trinity1
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| apocatastasis wrote: | | I've seen none of them. Why do you ask? |
Well... since they all are highly controversial in this debate... and I have read numerous articles (both pro and con) discussing them... I thought it might be a good idea to personally investigate, or take a look at them myself.
I would agree that Baugh is perhaps a little bent (bent having various degrees included) but those tracks have been analyzed. Initially it was argued that it was erosion that created the impression of human appearance. However, in order to make that argument, you would have to then assume that it was only these prints that eroded and not the others surrounding them. Then it became location... they were not found in the same strata... when they were sitting right there next to the dinosaur tracks. That didn't make sense... so the were analyzed (cut in half) What they fond was that the compressions were made under the print are consistent with humans.
The one in Tuba City... well, that is surrounded by thousands of dinosaur prints and is argued to be eroded... when all of the others didn't. It just doesn't add up as when I stuck my foot in that thing... it looked like a perfect match.
With all of that said, the supposition that humans and dinosaurs walking together is not limited to just that data… as a matter of fact, I’m pretty sure Ham will not have it in the museum… so it actually becomes irrelevant in this discussion. But, when one critsizes and dismisses the data without fully investigating it... it just seems a bit foolish to me.
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apocatastasis
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Trinity,
I'd like to see some evidence suggesting that these footprints prove the co-existence of Dinosaurs and men. As far as I know, there is no genuine controversy over this.
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Trinity1
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| apocatastasis wrote: | | Trinity, I'd like to see some evidence suggesting that these footprints prove the co-existence of Dinosaurs and men. As far as I know, there is no genuine controversy over this. |
You are asking me to do two very different things here. First you are asking me to 'prove' the co-existence of dinosaurs and men and the veracity of these footprints (ie. they are human).
Let me ask you a question first.
Would you agree that if they are in fact proven to be human, that would pretty much slam the door shut on the hypothesis that humans have only been around for about 3 million years, or the hypothesis that dinosaurs died our 65 million years ago?
Would you agree with that supposition?
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apocatastasis
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| Quote: | Would you agree that if they are in fact proven to be human, that would pretty much slam the door shut on the hypothesis that humans have only been around for about 3 million years, or the hypothesis that dinosaurs died our 65 million years ago?
Would you agree with that supposition? |
You would have to further prove that the fossilized human prints actually belong to the same strata as the Dino prints. But I tell you that I would eb taken back if it was shown that the prints on the Paluxy are actually human.
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Trinity1
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| apocatastasis wrote: | | Quote: | Would you agree that if they are in fact proven to be human, that would pretty much slam the door shut on the hypothesis that humans have only been around for about 3 million years, or the hypothesis that dinosaurs died our 65 million years ago?
Would you agree with that supposition? |
You would have to further prove that the fossilized human prints actually belong to the same strata as the Dino prints. But I tell you that I would eb taken back if it was shown that the prints on the Paluxy are actually human. |
You would be 'taken aback'? Are you kidding?
Perhaps I need to pose the question a different way. If these footprints are human... and they are in the same strata of dinosaur footprints, would this convince you that humans and dinosaurs lived contemporaneously?
Apoc.. there is a reason why I posed this question... you're a smart guy... you ought to be able to recognize it... but, before I start on some rant, I want to know your honest answer. If, ‘taken aback’ is your only response I seen little point in continuing this topic.
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apocatastasis
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Perhaps I need to pose the question a different way. If these footprints are human... and they are in the same strata of dinosaur footprints, would this convince you that humans and dinosaurs lived contemporaneously? |
Yes. 
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Trinity1
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| apocatastasis wrote: | | Quote: |
Perhaps I need to pose the question a different way. If these footprints are human... and they are in the same strata of dinosaur footprints, would this convince you that humans and dinosaurs lived contemporaneously? |
Yes. |
See... that wasn't so hard...
OK... so, if we find dinosaur footprints and human footprints in the same layer, anyone with any sense will logically conclude that the ideas that humans evolved from ape ancestors, that dinosaurs lived 65 million years ago would evaporate over night.
I would submit that what has happened with this subject is that any and all attempts to discredit the tracks has been made. Just a casual trip over to that vile website TalkOrigins would provide conclusive evidence for this charge. Just look how many articles they have posted addressing this.
The argument has grown so strong and so vitriolic that evolutionists have even cajoled repuable creationists into believing there is nothing to the tracks or there are problems with them, despite what the evidence points too. ICR has printed a good article discussing these tracks HERE. The case for these prints is far from being closed...
Take a look at THIS. Move your mouse over the words for a better look.
What does that look like to you?
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apocatastasis
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Looks like a modern human stepped in a fossilized dino print.
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Pareidolia.
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