Spank a Child, Go to Jail Under New Capitol Proposal

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA

http://www.news10.net/display_story.aspx?storyid=23513

Read it and weep..
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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

wow that is far out....and what's more...that is the age my children were when i spanked them, what seemed like regularly...now i rarely have to do so...twice a year at the most...usually not that often...

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45degreeN · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:52 am Post subject:

The problem seems to be in these "the ban would include hitting, punching, smacking, kicking, slapping and spanking."

While we spank our children out of love, in discipline, those other items are abusive and probably should be punishable.. Even so, the invasion of our homes for the furtherance of the investigation might just tear apart what little home they have. A tough decision for the authorities.

All we need now is some anonymous rat who can accuse us from out of the shadows without being confronted and we might just end up in 1930's Germany.

Pondering · King of the Jungle Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Posts: 1512

wow....check the thermostat in Hades....this is the second time in one week that I agree with Dim Wink

This stems from a liberal view (Hillary Clinton's "It Takes Village" view) that government (run by "caring" affluent liberals) is smarter than the general public and can better rear your children....The arrogance is unreal.

Politically, it's seems to be powerful..."Who would support child abuse? If you vote against this bill, you support child abuse" yada yada yada...

Big difference between corporal punishment administered by a responsible adult in control of their emotions and beating a child out rage, frustration and anger...blurring the lines is bad.

We already have laws against abuse...We already have a child protective service system. If the system is broken, the solution is not another law Rolling Eyes

I even posit that much of the anti-social behavior associated with "youth today" (really since the 1960s) is that they've lost the fear of punishment being applied on the spot by any adult. In my father's generation, any neighbor in the community wouldn't have hesitated to snatch a kid and march him to his parent's house where he would (probably) recieve a spanking. Today, if anything...we call the police Rolling Eyes

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45degreeN · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:46 am Post subject:

Hold on pondering, it seems your inconsistency is showing. You reject the "it takes a village" plan yet you cite the old time neighborhood concept of our neighbors grabbing our children dragging them home for punishment. Isn't that part of what a village is?

It may not be part of the liberal point of view of what a village is, but that is really what is good about the way things used to be. Or is that just a problem with using cliche images like Hillary used when writing about it.

Pondering · King of the Jungle Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Posts: 1512

The later...while she talked about a community approach to childrearing (which I think is good), much of her "platform" (and other Social Progressives like her) actually endorse government imposed solutions....some of Bush's programs (like No Child Left Behind) are equally bad in my opinion for the same reason because they remove the responsibility from parents and transfer it to an institution....
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45degreeN · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject:

She wanted the Federal government to invade the school system making it the focus for all reporting of issues. For meals and social welfare items taking the focus far away from education and leaving "Godfather" government in charge of our whole lives. No thanks Hillary

Pundits claim, since then, that she has moved away from this point of view, I want proof before any rewards are given out.

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Trinity1 · Emperor of the World Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 3123

I was listening to this assembly women this afternoon concerning t his issue. Her argument focuses on spanking 6 month thru 3 year old children... specificlly 6 month olds.

Which is really strange. What exactly would a 6 month old do to deserve a spanking? They aren't even crawling by then for Pete's sake. How about a year old? They can harldy walk...

The point is this another demogaugued to death argument similar to the abortion issue. The pick non-sensical arguments and then proceed to attack. It is absolutely amazing the edepths they will go...
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Pondering · King of the Jungle Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Posts: 1512

Most likely the bill's sponsor is either:

a) posturing...pick a non-issue, enflame it, then appear to be the change element...all while actually doing nothing. The appearance of motion is not the same as progress.

b) overreacting emotionally to some tragedy. Very possible that some 6 month old was beaten (not spanked, beaten) by a parent. She doesn't want that to happen (who does?). Despite existing laws for assualt and child abuse, she wants to do "more" to prevent this kind of thing and so she proposes a law (ineffective, implausible, and irrational as it is) to prevent this kind of thing in future.

Of the two options, I'd actually prefer option b as then it at least makes her a caring human being....My money (and donuts) would be on option a though Sad

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45degreeN · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:37 am Post subject:

OK so its true we do agree on this issue.

knuckle · Young Wolf Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 501

Hi all--------

Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about-----then again maybe not

much love---------knuckle

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA

It seems to me that we have nearly a whole generation which was raised on the 'expertise' of Dr. Spock, and one simply needs to look at the condition of that generation to see the results of his folly.

As far as what Pondering has to say: I agree that the choice in this case would be a), as the assembly in my state has a long history of appearing to be in motion rather that actually making progress.

As far as governments go, the California State government is, and has been, one of the most ineffective, self-defeating, implosive, and generally useless governing bodies in this Nation. Between the continual infighting, partisan stupidity, and special interest focus, they have quite effectively brought California down the ladder of prosperity year after year.
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45degreeN · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:54 am Post subject:

Dr. Spock has been misquoted many times by people who have not read his work. Go back and do your homework first and then come back with what Spock said.