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Yehushuan
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| lone-traveler wrote: | | I'm not the one talking out both sides my face Yehu.... |
And neither is Paul, Lone. Instead of viewing this letter as some legal directive for the resolution of all concerns whereby a brother sins, it is obvious in 1 Cor. 5:2 the specific circumstances have already progressed to Matthew 18:15 as Jesus taught.
| lone-traveler wrote: | | (Where is Satan so we can send him to him?) |
In China, inventing new viruses for the destruction of your flesh.
| lone-traveler wrote: | | …the master judge. |
A completely opinionated and totally unwarranted judgment yourself, eh?
| lone-traveler wrote: | (I just wanted to see if I said, jump off a bridge, how many of you would do it...  ) |
And if jumping off the bridge kept you from being run over by a train?
Again, do not confuse the management of specific circumstances with the establishment of a new set of rules and regulations that contradict Jesus’ precepts on this matter.
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | FFT, where in this thread have you admitted to error? |
Where have I made an error? The only one I've made that I've noticed was where I was using my own experience with Christians when you were talking specifically about the forum.
| RevJP wrote: | | I was, and have been, speaking in context of THIS thread and this thread alone. |
And that's all well and good, except you've completely failed to demonstrate any error on my part except for the one.
| RevJP wrote: | | In fact I redirected you to that concept within this thread (twice I think). |
Only about Christians saying Jesus will cure homosexuality, as I noticed.
| RevJP wrote: | | So, your bright red font color is irrelevant because it deals with everything outside of this thread. |
Except that you still haven't shown any mistake on my part in this thread except the one, and I've shown you over and over the mistakes on yours and it's taken how many pages for you to even just barely admit to them?
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Yehu,
| Quote: | | And if jumping off the bridge kept you from being run over by a train? |
so then you believe such a one should not be held responsible for breaking the law?
| Quote: | | Again, do not confuse the management of specific circumstances with the establishment of a new set of rules and regulations that contradict Jesus’ precepts on this matter. |
Im reading the words but I don't understand what your saying...
please explain.
Lone
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John R Nolan
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Location: Elimbah, Qld. Australia
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject: Gay homosexuals |
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GAY
"full of or disposed to or indicating MIRTH; light hearted, sportive, airy; cheeky, impertinent; dissolute, immoral living by prostitution; showy, brilliant, bright coloured" Oxford dict.
There is no reference here to homosexuality
What have homosexuals got to be gay about?
They are a species which is incapable of natural reproduction, so are a dying species, which is fine
The use of this mis-nomer, gay, for p.....rs, d...s, f..., is quite tragic, as are those who practise such behaviour
That there is, as has been claimed, no Scripture to suggest God does NOT mind homosexual relationships as long as they abstain from sexual activity is questionable, to say the least
Could those supporting this immoral behaviour provide Scripture to support this idea please
What Christians need consider today is Lk.17:28-30 and Mat.24:21-30
From Luke we read:"Also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold..." everything was cruising along as usual, UNTIL, "But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed"
Let us consider the condition of the world today; many would deduce we are in a SODOM condition, and that means the next step is the catching away of 1 Thes.4:15-16, then cometh the falling of the fire and brimstone
There is no Scripture to suggest homosexuality, in ANY form, is acceptable to God, nor to His children, and that is why so many stand against this rapidly spreading social sickness
Causes of homosexuality, in a minute percentage, can be related to genetic defects: the majority of homosexuals and lesbians are people who consciously choose to adopt that life style for any number of reasons
Possibly because of rejection by members of the opposite sex, maybe through curiosity, surely the list of possibilities is long, but, there is still no Bible to support it, nor is it any less a perversion of natural behaviour than pedophilia, mass murder, abortion, etc. |
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FFT
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| John R Nolan wrote: | GAY
"full of or disposed to or indicating MIRTH; light hearted, sportive, airy; cheeky, impertinent; dissolute, immoral living by prostitution; showy, brilliant, bright coloured" Oxford dict. |
Interesting, seeing as this is what the Oxford Dictionary actually says (link):
adjective (gayer, gayest) 1 (especially of a man) homosexual. 2 relating to homosexuals. 3 dated light-hearted and carefree. 4 dated brightly coloured; showy.
| John R Nolan wrote: | | There is no reference here to homosexuality |
Oops. Where did you even get that definition?
| John R Nolan wrote: | | The use of this mis-nomer, gay, for p.....rs, d...s, f..., is quite tragic |
I'll say. Who wants to be called a p! ... rs! anyway? How is that even pronounced?
| John R Nolan wrote: | | Causes of homosexuality, in a minute percentage, can be related to genetic defects: the majority of homosexuals and lesbians are people who consciously choose to adopt that life style for any number of reasons |
A minute percentage? On what grounds do you claim this?
| John R Nolan wrote: | | nor is it any less a perversion of natural behaviour than pedophilia, mass murder, abortion, etc. |
1. The Bible makes no condemnation of pedophilia that I'm aware of. Ancients regularly married off their daughters while they were still children.
2. God endorsed mass murder on a relatively regular basis in the OT.
3. Ever hear of miscarriage? The majority of pregnancies actually end in miscarriages, many before the mother is even aware she was pregnant. Abortion can hardly be called a perversion of the natural order when the natural order is natural abortion, can it?
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allan0201
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:13 pm Post subject: Most homosexuals just want to pervert and decieve people. |
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Most people know when they are a sinner. Their conscience knows. Here is a link to a page full of scripture to show homosexuality is wrong.
http://www.geocities.com/dalan0201/homosexuality.html
You can also find a scripture where God tells us not to be wise in our own conciet. I see so much arguing on this thread or forum, it makes me think that some people just arguing. Real Christians only do it when they have to. I suggest to those of you who really love God, not to spend to much time arguing with people who just do not want to believe. Also, why are people quoting from sources other than the Bible. Here is what God has to say to those who refuse to listen to God, live in homosexuality, and try to impress people with philospy and decieve and confuse people.
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."Col 2:8
"5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." Proverbs 3:5
"18Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 20And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain." 1 Corinthians 3:18
"23Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: 24But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD." Jeremiah 9:23-24
Pride of the World
For some reason sinners are sometimes decieved by the devil in believing that Christians are not as wise or intelligent as they are"
"27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29That no flesh should glory in his presence." 1 Corinthians 1:27-29 |
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FFT
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Most homosexuals just want to pervert and decieve people |
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| allan0201 wrote: | | Also, why are people quoting from sources other than the Bible. |
You tell me.
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allan0201
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: Why are people quoting from sources other than the Bible? |
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| Quote: | allan0201 wrote:
| Quote: | | Also, why are people quoting from sources other than the Bible. |
You tell me. |
Because they are trying to deceive people. |
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FFT
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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So, therefore, you are trying to deceive people?
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Nobby
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| allen wrote: | | I see so much arguing on this thread or forum, it makes me think that some people just arguing. Real Christians only do it when they have to. I suggest to those of you who really love God, not to spend to much time arguing with people who just do not want to believe. |
Allen You are right in the debate section of this board! For someone that dosen't like to argue, seems you've jumped in with both feet!! 
There are sections of this board where we don't allow debate.
PS: As long as it doesn't break board rules. A member can quote other sorces than the bible. But they must not copy anything that is not allow by copyright. Also always give your source! OK?
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atoz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| summertime wrote: |
...Well, fortunately, not all christians are like you say.
It will just take some longer to realize that
God is love and love is God.
So, whomever is doing the loving,
regardless of gender, race, religion,
is of God and God dwells in them.
God is love is simple to understand.
Then again, maybe not apparently:( |
Wow! 99.9% of people ...worldwide...can't say that:
'God is Love and Love is God!'
nor this:
'So, whomever is doing the loving,
regardless of gender, race, religion,
is of God and God dwells in them.'
Which is what 1 John 4:16 says.
Please tell me more!smile
Where and how did you learn that?
in Love and r,
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atoz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | .....
Thirdly; summertime you say: I | Quote: | | t will just take some longer to realize that God is love and love is God. So, whomever is doing the loving, regardless of gender, race, religion is of God and God dwells in them. God is love is simple to understand. |
You leave out, quite noticibly that God is Justice as well, and righteousness, and holiness. If God, being Perfect Love, Perfect Justice, Perfect Righteousness and Perfect Holiness declares that something is an abomination, how then can we say that said thing is acceptable to Him?
I wonder if you have scripture that tells us that anything done in love is acceptable to God? |
Dear RevJP,
Because God loves the perfect and imperfect, it is God's Love that is the Perfect Love.
Because God loves the just and unjust, God's Love is the Justice of Love.
Because God loves the right and the wrong, God's Love is the Righteousness of Love.
Because God loves the holy and unholy, God's Love is the Holiness of Love.
Therefore, the first abomination IS TO hate the abominable or the unjust or the unholy or the unrighteous...since THE first unrighteousness or unholiness or injustice of the unright and the unjust and the unholy and the imperfect IS that they hate themselves as those words and as any words!
So since most gays do hate straights just as straights hate gays ...so that gays just change their sexual preference but do NOT change that Hate in their gaydom, THAT sin of Hate for themselves and others and God IS the abomination God is talking about in BOTH gays and straights!
It is that abomination of Hatred in str8 that made 99.9% of gays gay in the first place, and that made straights straight in the first place!
There are gays who are born so as per John 9:1-3.
And here is that scripture, and more, that you were asking about:
1 Corinthians 6:12
12All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
10:23
23All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
16:14-15
14Let all your things be done with Love.
Ephesians 4:15-16
15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Ephesians 5
1Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
2And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Practice one for you:
Ephesians 4:26
26Be ye angry, and sin not...by being angry in..........[fill in blank at end.
Please ask more questions.
in Perfect & Just & Holy and Righteous and Unconditional Love for the perfect and imperfect,
atoz
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atoz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Most homosexuals just want to pervert and decieve people |
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| allan0201 wrote: | Most people know when they are a sinner. Their conscience knows. Here is a link to a page full of scripture to show homosexuality is wrong.
http://www.geocities.com/dalan0201/homosexuality.html
"5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." Proverbs 3:5
"18Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 20And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain." 1 Corinthians 3:18
"23Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: 24But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD." Jeremiah 9:23-24
"27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29That no flesh should glory in his presence." 1 Corinthians 1:27-29 |
Dear Allan,
Are you still around?
If so, I wd like to ask you:
Have you become a fool as 1 Cor 3:18?
Do you love yourself as a fool as God loves u and called you as in I cor 1?
Does God love gays?
Do you love gays?
Since God loves gays, what is the first sin? Is the first sin homosexuality or hatred for homosexuals?
Would God prefer a gay who is loving or a str8 who is hating? Please see Luke 18:9-14 for God's answer.
Would you love God if He were gay? Please see 1 John 4:20 for God's answer.
What are your conditions for loving God?
Do you love God conditionally or under all conditions, that is, unconditionally?
In Godly Love and Respect for you,
atoz, a Godly fool who loves himself as a fool |
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StElsewhere
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[quote="ekspiulo"]Most fundamentalists don't know what to do when they see people who
Talk like good Christians
Help people like good Christians and
Go to church like good Christians but
believe in the inclusion of, women, blacks, and most recently homosexuals and transgenders.
What gives you and the rest of the Gay Lobby...the right to
equate your chosen form of deviant sexual expression ... with the "Civil Rights" EARNED because of 300 plus years of the lash of slavery on their backs that was then followed by years of Jim Crow? The color of one's skin it not a choice ... Whom you choose to lie down is just that a choice... If a gay person turns around...and chooses to take some animal to their bed...then what? Who's ethnicity is that chosen behavior going to be equated to while they are again seeking some civil right for their practice thereof? Hummmmm?  |
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StElsewhere
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | It's one thing to say that the Bible forbids ritual homosexual sex — it does. It does not forbid homosexual relationships.
Of course, the New Testament has some choice words on the matter, but they're irrelevant. Jesus didn't say them, therefore they could easily have been later misinterpretations. Wouldn't be the first time someone's used the Bible to justify their prejudices. |
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Are you for real? Did I read your avatar right...is there a Rev. attached? Is it real or just a thing you call yourself? How can a "man of God " state as you just did that the NT has some "CHOICE" words on this matter...and then turn around and say they're irrelevant? Then say Jesus didn't say it...No I'm no preacher but I do know a few bible verses. Everything the Apostles said was/is binding on earth and in heaven:
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
EVERYTHING any Apostle said is as if Jesus Himself said it ...Period ...Paragraph!...that statement is as bass ackwards as I have ever heard (' ')
FYI: God Never Changes...How can the True and Right God be against something in the beginning ...OT...and Not mean what He is saying on that same subject...in the NT?
 ...Not being funny ...but to what god are you a man of?...with notions like that ? |
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