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eyeopener Goldfish
Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 57
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: reply |
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[quote="Silver Surfer"] | golfjack wrote: | So you believe the final blow happened in 70AD? As far as I know, the Romans did it, and about 7000 Jews were protected. I can assure you that God hasn't forgotten Israel.
| Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.
i think the jews circumcision was not accepting jesus as he was a man so they give praise to god and not men |
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arielmessenger Sea Monkey

Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 12 Location: New World
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject: Locusts are grasshoppers when they swarm |
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"I'm used to those solid skinny green ones.
This one was really pretty but I'm not sure if it's a grasshopper or a locust.
What's the difference between the two?"
Grasshoppers metamorphise into locust form when they swarm. Bigger bodies for flying farther, eating more. |
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45degreeN King Kong
Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 2653 Location: Salem Oregon
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:24 am Post subject: Getting back to the original thread did God reject Israel? |
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NO and I cite Romans 11:1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don't you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3"Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me"? 4And what was God's answer to him? "I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal." 5So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
7What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, 8as it is written:
"God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes so that they could not see
and ears so that they could not hear,
to this very day." 9And David says:
"May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever."
Paul also warns those like us whoare from the wild olive branch that was ingrafted not to take credit for our state but the natural olive branch can be grafted back into the root:
22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
The Jews were primarily set aside due to lack of faith and might have appeared cut off, but God seems willing to regraft them back into the the natural rootat a moment's notice. |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 6362 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | David says:
"May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them. |
I wonder what it was that was on their table?
God Bless
Lone _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 6362 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Exd 25:30 And thou shalt set upon the table shewbread before me alway.
Num 4:7 And upon the table of shewbread they shall spread a cloth of blue, and put thereon the dishes, and the spoons, and the bowls, and covers to cover withal: and the continual bread shall be thereon:
1Ki 10:4 And when the queen of Sheba had seen all Solomon's wisdom, and the house that he had built,
1Ki 10:5 And the meat of his table, and the sitting of his servants, and the attendance of his ministers, and their apparel, and his cupbearers, and his ascent by which he went up unto the house of the LORD; there was no more spirit in her.
1Ki 10:6 And she said to the king, It was a true report that I heard in mine own land of thy acts and of thy wisdom.
1Ki 10:7 Howbeit I believed not the words, until I came, and mine eyes had seen [it]: and, behold, the half was not told me: thy wisdom and prosperity exceedeth the fame which I heard.
1Ki 10:8 Happy [are] thy men, happy [are] these thy servants, which stand continually before thee, [and] that hear thy wisdom.
1Ki 10:9 Blessed be the LORD thy God, which delighted in thee, to set thee on the throne of Israel: because the LORD loved Israel for ever, therefore made he thee king, to do judgment and justice.
1Ki 10:10 And she gave the king an hundred and twenty talents of gold, and of spices very great store, and precious stones: there came no more such abundance of spices as these which the queen of Sheba gave to king Solomon.
what do you suppose this means?
*there was no more spirit in her.*
Psa 69:22 Let their table become a snare before them: and [that which should have been] for [their] welfare, [let it become] a trap.
Psa 78:19 Yea, they spake against God; they said, Can God furnish a table in the wilderness?
here's a different table:
Pro 3:3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
Pro 7:3 Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.
another table?
Isa 30:8 ¶ Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
Isa 30:9 That this [is] a rebellious people, lying children, children [that] will not hear the law of the LORD:
Isa 30:10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
Isa 30:11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.
Jer 17:1 The sin of Judah [is] written with a pen of iron, [and] with the point of a diamond: [it is] graven upon the table of their heart, and upon the horns of your altars;
sitting at the same table:
Dan 11:27 And both these kings' hearts [shall be] to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end [shall be] at the time appointed.
Luk 22:21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me [is] with me on the table.
Jhn 12:2 There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
1Cr 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
interesting table don't ya think...
God Bless
Lone _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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theseldomscene Banned

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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: |
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table talk ...  |
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theseldomscene Banned

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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: |
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ps...JESUS threw over the tables of the money changers in the temple...also read 2 cor3:3...you will like it  |
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theseldomscene Banned

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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:25 am Post subject: |
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...you actually made me think ...scarey...but...
we are now the temple...our tables were filled with snares and greed...HE turned those tables over....  |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 6362 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | ...you actually made me think ...scarey...but..
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Now that is scary..LOL...
I believe that we set our own traps and snares on the table. These are our lusts and desires that are outside of God's will.
Our own achievements, our own "kingdoms" so to speak.
Man likes to lead and have the authority over others. And many times people put their trust and hope in them and they all end up jumping over the cliff.
Others just go about on their own, letting no one other than God lead the way.
So I guess it's who's setting the table. And whether we put on it what we're supposed to....nothing more, nothing less...
In the beginning it was only the shewbread..then got added the cloths and bowls and spoons and meat.....these things puffed up the table. Made it "fat".
Shewbread
Exd 25:30 ( R.V. marg., "presence bread"); 1Ch 9:32 ( marg., "bread of ordering"); Num 4:7: called "hallowed bread" ( R.V., "holy bread") in 1Sa 21:1-6.
This bread consisted of twelve loaves made of the finest flour. They were flat and thin, and were placed in two rows of six each on a table in the holy place before the Lord. They were renewed every Sabbath ( Lev 24:5-9), and those that were removed to give place to the new ones were to be eaten by the priests only in the holy place ( see 1Sa 21:3-6; Mat 12:3,4).
The number of the loaves represented the twelve tribes of Israel, and also the entire spiritual Israel, "the true Israel;" and the placing of them on the table symbolized the entire consecration of Israel to the Lord, and their acceptance of God as their God. The table for the bread was made of acacia wood, 3 feet long, 18 inches broad, and 2 feet 3 inches high. It was plated with pure gold. Two staves, plated with gold, passed through golden rings, were used for carrying it.
1Sa 21:6 So the priest gave him hallowed [bread]: for there was no bread there but the shewbread, that was taken from before the LORD, to put hot bread in the day when it was taken away.
So David "ate up" all of Israel...
Jer 10:25 Pour out thy fury upon the heathen that know thee not, and upon the families that call not on thy name: for *they have eaten up Jacob*, and devoured him, and consumed him, and have made his habitation desolate.
Mat 14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children.
Mar 8:9 And they that had eaten were about four thousand: and he sent them away.
Act 27:38 And when they had eaten enough, they lightened the ship, and cast out the wheat into the sea.
this is so cool...watch this:
Act 27:43 But the centurion, willing to save Paul, kept them from [their] purpose; and commanded that they which could swim should cast [themselves] first [into the sea], and get to land:
Act 27:44 And the rest, *some on boards, and some on [broken pieces]* of the ship. And so it came to pass, that they escaped all safe to land.
Ecc 11:1 Cast *thy bread upon the waters*: for thou shalt find it after many days.
Suppose the wheat that they had cast out, they threw out in crates? And these crates are what took them safely to land...
God works in some awesome ways LOL...
God Bless
Lone _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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theseldomscene Banned

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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| i don't know lone...in 2 cor 3:3 it kind of says GOD writes on our hearts...what HE wants there... |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 6362 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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2Cr 3:2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
2Cr 3:3 [Forasmuch as ye are] manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
1) a letter, epistle
ministered:
1)) to be a servant, attendant, domestic, to serve, wait upon
a) to minister to one, render ministering offices to
1) to be served, ministered unto
b) to wait at a table and offer food and drink to the guests,
1) of women preparing food
c) to minister i.e. supply food and necessities of life
1) to relieve one's necessities (e.g. by collecting alms), to provide take care of, distribute, the things necessary to sustain life
2) to take care of the poor and the sick, who administer the office of a deacon
3) in Christian churches to serve as deacons
d) to minister
1) to attend to anything, that may serve another's interests
2) to minister a thing to one, to serve one or by supplying any thing
written:
1) to engrave, inscribe, write in or on
a) to record, enrol
This says to me that what we minister to eachother comes from the heart and not that which was written in stone tablets.
And this letter, which we are..the manifestation of the ministration is what is declared and "read" among men...
we are "read"....that is what? "observed"..seen and witnessed by our fruit and good works?
And this "letter" was created by the Apostles, through their administrations of God's Spirit written on flesh hearts.
we are written...letters..which manifest the letter of Christ.
We are all words of God...written in a book called.............LIFE..
That doesn't mean the tables don't become over laden and becomes a snare and a trap. It means we aught to be careful how we set the table.
The Spirit of the letter is engraved on our hearts...but that doesn't mean that the writing always remains readable...sometimes it gets covered with mud and moss, and sometimes it gets hidden away like an old scroll in a library hidden in the darkest corner....and it gets worn and decomposes...
sounds like old age to me...LOL..
seriously though..
Sometimes new letters "books" get brought to the front of the store and the old books get tossed out or forgotten about.
I believe that the "letter" has always been written in flesh, but we turned it into stone by hardening our hearts. And Christ came to make the stone crumble to reveal the letter that was always in the flesh to begin with.
We hardened our hearts, we became stone, we made the tables over burdened, we forgot the truth of love and mercy...
Christ came and cleaned those tables bare. Threw out the money changers as it were...made the table pure.
2Ch 13:11 And they burn unto the LORD every morning and every evening burnt sacrifices and sweet incense: the shewbread also [set they in order] upon the *pure table*; and the candlestick of gold with the lamps thereof, to burn every evening: for we keep the charge of the LORD our God; but ye have forsaken him.
Psa 22:27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
Psa 25:6 Remember, O LORD, thy tender mercies and thy lovingkindnesses; for they [have been] ever of old.
(((((remember))))))
I just noticed that LOL...so cool...
RE-Member....
all members of one body....re-member...bring together...
always something awesome...always...
God Bless
Lone _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | i don't know lone...in 2 cor 3:3 it kind of says GOD writes on our hearts...what HE wants there... |
All 10 commandments SHOULD be in the hearts of every person who claims to be a Christian......
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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