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P1234567890
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 Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:59 am Post subject: The final word on Dr. Martin's Impostor |
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I just phoned the CSR and got through to the real Dr. Martin. He confirmed what many of us here already knew: the impostor here indeed was an impostor.
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apocatastasis
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Isn't that a criminal offense?
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| apocatastasis wrote: | | Isn't that a criminal offense? |
Yes, I believe that impersonating a Federal employee is a criminal offense.
Now I feel kind of bad, because the penalty is probably ridiculously harsh.
Kind of like tax evasion.... You can molest hundreds of children, and you'll get like 7 years in jail, but if you cheat on your taxes even once, then the IRS takes your home, destroys your family, and throws you in jail for like 70 years.
I wonder if I've just condemned the impostor to death row...?
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RevJP
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm...
You say you called and spoke to CSR, and we are to believe that is actually the truth? Why? Because you say it is so?
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:57 am Post subject: |
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apocatastasis
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: |
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JP,
P1 has been nothing but honest in all of his posts that I've read. I see no reason to doubt that he called CSR. If you have your doubts, why not call them yourself?
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| those people are going to think we are all a bunch of quacks...and for good reason... |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | Hmmm...
You say you called and spoke to CSR, and we are to believe that is actually the truth? Why? Because you say it is so? |
Call them yourself if you don't believe me.
You see, unlike the impostor, I've got nothing to hide. Go ahead and test whether or not I'm telling the truth; in fact, I encourage you to do so.
I'm all for everything being as open and honest as possible.
So if you seriously think that I'm lying, be my guest and verify everything yourself.
Do you really think that I'm dishonest?
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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apocatastasis
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Sometimes we want to see in others what we don't want to see in ourselves.
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:26 am Post subject: |
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hey apoc...i got that same fortune cookie once...  |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| P123 wrote: | Call them yourself if you don't believe me.
You see, unlike the impostor, I've got nothing to hide. Go ahead and test whether or not I'm telling the truth; in fact, I encourage you to do so.
I'm all for everything being as open and honest as possible.
So if you seriously think that I'm lying, be my guest and verify everything yourself.
Do you really think that I'm dishonest? |
I never said I didn't believe you, I simply asked WHY we should believe you. You offer your word, fine, Dr. Martin offered his word and it was insufficient for you and others. I'm just wondering why the same standard of incredulity shouldn't be applied across the board?
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apocatastasis
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| Quote: | | I'm just wondering why the same standard of incredulity shouldn't be applied across the board? |
So you think that Dr. Martin, after all this, should be given just as much benefit of the doubt as anyone else?
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | I never said I didn't believe you, I simply asked WHY we should believe you. You offer your word, fine, Dr. Martin offered his word and it was insufficient for you and others. I'm just wondering why the same standard of incredulity shouldn't be applied across the board? |
Go ahead and be skeptical. You can even call me a liar if you want. Just be prepared to apologize after you call the CSR and find out that I'm telling the truth.
When I accused the impostor of lying, at that point I was already absolutely certain that he was an impostor. I would never throw around accusations like that if I weren't. When you you make strong accusations, you are responsible for them. If I'd been wrong, then I would have been humiliated and I would have had to apologize. You and Trinity would never have let me live it down!
So if you are absolutely convinced that the impostor was real and that I'm lying, then by all means call me on it and then call the CSR. I'll even give you the number to call.
But if you want a more reasonable answer: the reason why you should believe me and not him is because I'm forthright and I'm not hiding anything. By contrast, he was a scumbag and almost every one of his posts was suspicious.
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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RevJP
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Once again P, you don't get it.
When did I say you were lying? When did I say I think you are a liar?
For once, do me a favor and pull your head out of yourself and look at what is ACTUALLY BEING POSTED, and address that and not what you think you want someone to be posting.
| Quote: | | When I accused the impostor of lying, at that point I was already absolutely certain that he was an impostor. I would never throw around accusations like that if I weren't |
Here's the difference between you and I; I don't make accusations based on personal feelings. I do so only when I have proof. Try it sometime.
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So if you are absolutely convinced that the impostor was real and that I'm lying, |
Once again, show me where I have stated such. Where have I ever stated that I think anyone is who they say they are, and where have I stated that I think you are lying? 
My goodness man, I know you are in Canada, but they do read and write English there, don' they?
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: |
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So if you are absolutely convinced that the impostor was real and that I'm lying, |
Once again, show me where I have stated such. Where have I ever stated that I think anyone is who they say they are, and where have I stated that I think you are lying?
My goodness man, I know you are in Canada, but they do read and write English there, don' they? |
Where did I say that you were accusing me of lying?
I said,
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So IF you are absolutely convinced that the impostor was real and that I'm lying, |
But since you bring it up, do you think I'm lying?
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-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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