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P1234567890
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| RevJP wrote: | The THEORY OF EVOLUTION by itself is a scientific theory.
The way it is embraced, taught and relied upon by many such as you is more akin to a religion. |
But the National Academy of Sciences, the National Science Foundation, the Royal Society, NSERC, and every single other major scientific body on the planet ALL (and I really mean ALL here; not a single exception) state unequivocally that evolution is good science and that it is fact.
Why are you right and why are all of them wrong?
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cballard
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| Why does evolution cause such a controversy? God could have created the world that way. Catholics don't find it to be contrary to God's nature. We will accept scientific evidence if it becomes obvious. We learned our lesson in the Galileo controversy. If overwhelming evidence is there, our understanding of Scripture must be in error. It is possible Scripture doesn't mean seven 24 hour days. I don't think anyone is in danger of losing their soul if they believe in evolution. |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | But the National Academy of Sciences, the National Science Foundation, the Royal Society, NSERC, and every single other major scientific body on the planet ALL (and I really mean ALL here; not a single exception) state unequivocally that evolution is good science and that it is fact.
Why are you right and why are all of them wrong? |
This has nothing to do with what I've said.
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FFT
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| RevJP wrote: | The THEORY OF EVOLUTION by itself is a scientific theory.
The way it is embraced, taught and relied upon by many such as you is more akin to a religion. |
I would just as quickly refute someone insisting the world was flat, or that the stars are just holes in a giant fabric wrapping the Earth, or that a big man in red travels the entire world in a night delivering presents. Just because evolution happens to be one of the more controversial fields in science does not make defending it or adhering to it a religious act — the controversy isn't relevant from a scientific perspective as it springs from not-science.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I would just as quickly refute someone insisting the world was flat, or that the stars are just holes in a giant fabric wrapping the Earth, or that a big man in red travels the entire world in a night delivering presents. Just because evolution happens to be one of the more controversial fields in science does not make defending it or adhering to it a religious act. |
I did not say it did.
I never suggested that defending it or adhering to it, I said : The way it is embraced, taught and relied upon by many such as you is more akin to a religion.
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FFT
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I'm not really sure how I'm relying on it, to be honest. I suppose I rely on it as a way to argue more maybe 
And you're avoiding refutations by referring back to the lack of qualification in your original statement.
In what way is evolution "akin to a religion?"
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RevJP
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| Quote: | | In what way is evolution "akin to a religion?" |
I NEVER said it was. And I DID post in english.
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FFT
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| RevJP wrote: | | Quote: | | In what way is evolution "akin to a religion?" |
I NEVER said it was. And I DID post in english. |
| RevJP wrote: | The THEORY OF EVOLUTION by itself is a scientific theory.
The way it is embraced, taught and relied upon by many such as you is more akin to a religion. |
Very well, that wasn't an exact quote I suppose.
In what way is evolution "more akin to a religion"
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P1234567890
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I never suggested that defending it or adhering to it, I said : The way it is embraced, taught and relied upon by many such as you is more akin to a religion. |
People embrace, teach, and rely upon Newtonian Mechanics and Relativity with just as much zeal as they do Evolution. Does this also make the ways in which Newtonian Mechanics and Relativity are taught and relied upon more akin to a religion?
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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RevJP
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| FFT wrote: | Very well, that wasn't an exact quote I suppose.
In what way is evolution "more akin to a religion" |
Actually the quote was fine, you simply want to argue a strawman.
There is nothing in what I said, which you quoted twice and still failed to understand, that said 'evolution was more akin to religion.
I said THE WAY evolution is EMBRACED, TAUGHT, and RELIED UPON is AKIN TO RELIGION.
P understood it, why can't you?
| P wrote: | | People embrace, teach, and rely upon Newtonian Mechanics and Relativity with just as much zeal as they do Evolution. Does this also make the ways in which Newtonian Mechanics and Relativity are taught and relied upon more akin to a religion? |
An irrelevant diversionary tactic. Newtonian Mechanics and Relativity are not the subject here, are they?
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Ana
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| RevJP wrote: | The THEORY OF EVOLUTION by itself is a scientific theory.
The way it is embraced, taught and relied upon by many such as you is more akin to a religion. |
I think the only people who fixate on the theory of evolution religiously are those who do not wish it to be true.
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FFT
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Actually the quote was fine, you simply want to argue a strawman. |
No, I've just been trying to get you to go into further detail and you seem to be doing your best to avoid it.
| RevJP wrote: | | I said THE WAY evolution is EMBRACED, TAUGHT, and RELIED UPON is AKIN TO RELIGION. |
Explain what way that is that justifies you seeing it as religious please. Examples, perhaps? Something more tangible than because-you-say-so, if possible.
| RevJP wrote: | | P understood it, why can't you? |
Oh, I understand it, I simply want you to explain further than mere assertions, thanks.
| RevJP wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: | | People embrace, teach, and rely upon Newtonian Mechanics and Relativity with just as much zeal as they do Evolution. Does this also make the ways in which Newtonian Mechanics and Relativity are taught and relied upon more akin to a religion? |
An irrelevant diversionary tactic. Newtonian Mechanics and Relativity are not the subject here, are they? |
It may be a slight change of subject, but that should hardly be reason for complaint on a forum in which a thread on Saddam Hussein became a thread about beer. You could just answer the question and move on, you know.
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P1234567890
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| P wrote: | | People embrace, teach, and rely upon Newtonian Mechanics and Relativity with just as much zeal as they do Evolution. Does this also make the ways in which Newtonian Mechanics and Relativity are taught and relied upon more akin to a religion? |
An irrelevant diversionary tactic. Newtonian Mechanics and Relativity are not the subject here, are they? |
I don't think it's irrelevant at all. I want to understand if you also consider Newtonian Mechanics and Relativity to be taught and relied upon in a religious way. I want to know if you think that people treat all of the sciences this way or if evolution is somehow special. This is an important point, which is why I asked.
Incidentally, in order for something to be taught and relied upon in a religious way, wouldn't it have to have some kind of deity associated with it? Every religion on the planet has some kind of mystical supernatural deity or power associated with it. Are you claiming that evolution has a deity associated with it?
Are you saying that people who believe in evolution have blind faith?
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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45degreeN
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When those biologists who insist on denying any conversation concerning other paradigms, and only allow empirical "facts" then they are using their science in religious ways.
It is then that Darwinian evolution becomes dogma and not science. |
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RevJP
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Yeah, what Dim said...
zeal
–noun
fervor for a person, cause, or object; eager desire or endeavor; enthusiastic diligence; ardor.
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