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Ana
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| RevJP wrote: | blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda  |
Yep, that about sums up most of your posts. I'm glad you cut to the chase this time!  
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| Quote: | | It would cause a MAJOR problem in understanding and unifying all of the other areas of biology. Evolution is the single most important area of biology. It makes all of the other areas make sense. |
I disagree.
Looking at the definition from wikipedia I find little in there that would fail to be understood with the absence of evolutionary theory. Considering the plethora of studies inherent in biology only one or two are dependent upon evolution to gain full understanding.
But then again, I'm not a biologist so I can only speak from personal experience. The grades I recieved in my various biology classes came rather independent of an understanding or acceptance of evolutionary theory.
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But then again, I'm not a biologist so I can only speak from personal experience. The grades I recieved in my various biology classes came rather independent of an understanding or acceptance of evolutionary theory. |
Did you ever take a university biology class? They tend to be extremely evolution-centric. I took a graduate computational biology class last year, and even though it was a computer science class, evolution was a major theme in it giving the underpinnings of the entire course.
When I took organic chemistry and microbiology in undergrad, again evolution was always in the background.
There's a reason why scientists are so gung-ho about evolution. It really is a fantastic theory that explains and unifies SO many different areas. It's not just a bunch of satanists trying to deny God, like some people want to believe.
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RevJP
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I have indeed taken my share of biology classes, and evolution has never played a part in them.
Now I am not saying that it wasn't there, or discussed, but that I did quite well in the half dozen or so classes I've taken while rejecting completely the evolutionary theory.
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Ana
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | I have indeed taken my share of biology classes, and evolution has never played a part in them.
Now I am not saying that it wasn't there, or discussed, but that I did quite well in the half dozen or so classes I've taken while rejecting completely the evolutionary theory. |
Wait; by saying 'evolution has never played a part in them', you actually are saying it wasn't there or discussed.
The fact that you didn't believe it but did well at it anyways is irrelevant. I understand the plot in Shrek, but that doesn't mean I believe it, and my disbelief in the plot of Shrek doesn't mean it wasn't present in the movie.
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| Quote: | | Wait; by saying 'evolution has never played a part in them', you actually are saying it wasn't there or discussed. |
Actually no, you are wrong.
If I had meant that it wasn't there or discussed I would have said that - I am pretty good about saying what I mean.
It never played a part in those classes because it was never a consideration in what I was studying. I learned quite well without thinking about, relying on, or using elements of evolutionary theory. I did not need evolution to disect a cat, I did not need it to mix chemicals, I did not need it to study anatomy, I did not need it to participate in my internship, nor did I need it to understand kinetics.
Now be a good dear and run along and annoy somebody elese for a while.
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Ana
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Now be a good dear and run along and annoy somebody elese for a while. |
Is this some of that niceness you think you exude? Have another peek at 1 Cor 13 please.
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| RevJP wrote: | I have indeed taken my share of biology classes, and evolution has never played a part in them.
Now I am not saying that it wasn't there, or discussed, but that I did quite well in the half dozen or so classes I've taken while rejecting completely the evolutionary theory. |
It sounds like your classes were not taught in a very interesting way. Evolution is such a fundamental part of all areas of biological science that it really is the unifying umbrella over them all. A good professor does his / her best to tie things together so that the big picture makes sense. You cannot talk about the big picture in biology without putting a major emphasis on evolution.
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You are wrong P. You are trying to place an emphasis on a varied field of study which is simply not that important.
Plus, a good professor doesn't teach his or her religion in a science class 
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| RevJP wrote: | You are wrong P. You are trying to place an emphasis on a varied field of study which is simply not that important.
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Most scientists think that it is important.
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Plus, a good professor doesn't teach his or her religion in a science class |
True, but what does this have to do with evolution?
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I think you know full well P... 
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| RevJP wrote: | | I think you know full well P... |
RevJP, you don't HONESTLY think that evolution is a religion, do you?!? You're just being flippant, right???
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The THEORY OF EVOLUTION by itself is a scientific theory.
The way it is embraced, taught and relied upon by many such as you is more akin to a religion.
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