What does the bible say about killing babies?

nobody important · Cobra Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 462

God is ok with killing babies and all life forms...he dosnt like his creation playing god

sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

I've heard the analogy about backyards and plants within that backyard. If I have a backyard, and you, Ana, decide to come into my yard and destroy all my plants and trees, you would be wrong. However, if I decided to tell you to come into my yard and destroy all my trees and plants, you would be ok.

God is the only one with a backyard, and we, as created by Him, are His.

Therefore, you killing yourself is wrong, as you do not own yourself. You killing another is wrong, because you do not own them.

If God was to give you liberty to destroy those plants and trees in His backyard, you would be ok.

Very Happy

If you go and create your own species of humans, you can do with them what you want as well...

P1234567890 · Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:22 am Post subject:

sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

Well I think that if we agreed that they were (are) human, we would agree that nowhere does Scripture provide justification for their murder.

But I agree with you, we would be back to the question of whether they are or not.

Can I ask though whether my argument was a good one against Ana's? Does it not seem evident that God can do with His creation what He wants to? If He wants to destroy everything that is within His right? And if He wants to command the death of some of them, that is His right as well. The problem with attempting to take one of these commands (as Ana provides example) and extrapolating from it justification for our destroying similar objects of the command is that we are not God and we haven't that priveledge.

P1234567890 · Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:46 am Post subject:

sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

Your's wasn't a rebuttal, it was more a statement that if my argument is true, then the problem would still not be solved. It was a pointing out that if my argument is true, this doesn't support pro-life, only disproves the argument provided by Ana.

Also, God's ability to do what He wants with His creation is not affected by the idea that He is good or righteous or whatever. A good man CAN still do evil. That is within his ability. He may be good, but he still has the ability to lift the knife and plunge it into someone. He still has that 'right' (in a sense, staying with the motif of God's right to do with His creation what He wants), even if His nature will not show Him acting upon such ability.

P1234567890 · Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:10 am Post subject:

Really? Is it really possible to watch God torture some guy in some terrible way and to think to yourself, "Wow, God is so benevolent."?

sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

I think you are confusing what God 'would' do and what He 'could' do. I am simply arguing here that given God created everything, God has the prerogative to do with His creation what He pleases. This is that God 'could' destroy or torture anyone if He so pleased.

There is though the question of whether God 'would' do such. That is where you are questioning.

But it seems that you are questioning 'would' God do such, and then seeing as how the Biblical answer is 'no', you are then jumping and saying that therefore God 'couldn't' do such.

Or at least when I argue that God 'could' do such, and your leap to say that if He 'could' He automatically 'would' and since it is horrible to think that He 'would', therefore He 'couldn't' gives the impression that you believe that since He 'wouldn't' or since it is horrible to think that He 'would' that therefore He 'couldn't'.

P1234567890 · Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:34 am Post subject:

...Except that in Ana's quote, God is explicitly telling people to kill babies. So we aren't talking about a 'could'; we're talking about a 'would', and in fact, 'did'.

sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

I know, I was just combatting your idea, or what I perceived as your idea, of that God couldn't command the killing of the babies.

I think then our discussion would move into the morality discussion. Whether it is immoral of God to do so...

P1234567890 · Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:48 am Post subject:

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6845 Location: USA

P123... what are the other attributes of God? You put forth that He is benevolent and loving, but do not explore His other attributes. I understand that pushing the 'loving' aspect attempts to put some credence to your argument, but you are presenting only part of the picture.

Explore the whole of God's nature as we are given to know it biblically, and then address your questions regarding the ordering of the 'killing of babies'...

P1234567890 · Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject:

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6845 Location: USA