CAN ANYONE = = KEEP THE 10-COMMANDMENTS?

sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

GASP!!!

Silversurfer still hangs out around here?!?!?!

Amazing, I would've thought he'd broken one of the ten commandments by now and been automatically sent to hell...

Silver Surfer · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject:

sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

Well good thing you uphold the law perfectly, huh my brother? You aint going to no hell, you obey the commandments perfectly!
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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

i guess....if HE can't get me to heaven....i know i ain't got a snowballs chance in hell.... Sad

sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

I know I don't have a chance. I have always thought that Jesus came to fulfill the law. I have always assumed that the He completed the requirements, and me being in Him, I completed the requirments through Him. I had always had assurance that I would get to heaven as He completed the requirements for me. BUT ALAS MY SOUL IS DAMNED!!! I have to do it all myself...LORD only knows what Jesus did upon the cross, but apparently it wasn't good enough. I have to do something too!!!
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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

i think you will have to be sacrificed or something cool like that...maybe...like...fed slowly to hungry rabbits...that ought to cover part of it...maybe...

sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

No, because I haven't always observed the Sabbath! MY SOUL IS DOOMED!!!
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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

yeah...that is kind of a bummer...hey i got it...why don't you count up how many weeks you have lived....and take one day for each week...and have sabbath that many days in a row so you can catch up?... Very Happy

sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

Well that might work...but what if I do too many sabbaths? Then I will have done too much! Then I'll never get to get in!!!!
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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

well...i am sorry sofyst...apparently there is nothing you, i or JESUS can do....

lone-traveler · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:10 am Post subject:

Exd 5:13 And the taskmasters hasted [them], saying, Fulfil your works, [your] daily tasks, as when there was straw.

Exd 5:14 And *the officers of the children of Israel*, which Pharaoh's taskmasters had set over them, *were beaten*, [and] demanded, Wherefore have ye *not fulfilled* your task in making brick both yesterday and to day, as heretofore?

Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, *that all things must be fulfilled*, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, *concerning me*.

Act 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, *and their rulers*, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read *every sabbath day*, *they have fulfilled [them]* in condemning [him].

Act 13:29 And when *they had fulfilled* all that was *written of him*, they took [him] down from the tree, and laid [him] in a sepulchre.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be *fulfilled in us*, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for *he that loveth* another *hath fulfilled the law*.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore *love [is] the fulfilling of the law*.

2Cr 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when *your obedience is fulfilled*.

Gal 5:14 For *all the law is fulfilled in one word*, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so *fulfil the law of Christ*.

Col 1:25 Whereof *I am made* a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, *to fulfil the word of God*;

Jam 2:8 *If ye* fulfil the *royal law* according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

now what happened to the great commandment? Thou shalt love God with all thy heart mind and soul... is the second greater than the first then?

Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to *fulfil his will*, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, *until the words of God shall be fulfilled*.

Now all scripture regarding Christ was fulfilled. But not all things have been fulfilled. Otherwise we would not need to fulfil the royal law, the law of Christ, and our obedience be fulfilled.

Christ's law----God's law....same law? or different?

The sabbath was made for the Son of Man. And everything that he has he has given to us.

Exd 16:29 See, for that the LORD *hath given you the sabbath*, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

Exd 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore *the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it*.

Exd 31:16 Wherefore the *children of Israel* shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, [for] *a perpetual covenant*.

perpetual:

Hebrew for 05769

Pronunciation Guide
`owlam {o-lawm'} or `olam {o-lawm'}

1) long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world

a) ancient time, long time (of past)

b) (of future)

1) for ever, always

2) continuous existence, perpetual

3) everlasting, indefinite or unending future, eternity

Psa 105:8 *He hath remembered his covenant for ever*, the word [which] he commanded *to a thousand generations*.
Psa 105:9 Which [covenant] he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
Psa 105:10 And *confirmed* the same unto Jacob *for a law*, [and] to Israel [for] *an everlasting covenant*:

Exd 31:17 It [is] a sign *between me and the children of Israel for ever*: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and *was refreshed*.

Exd 31:18 ¶ And he gave unto Moses, when he had made *an end of communing* with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

God gave man the sabbath before he gave Moses the Law.... Confused or disgusted

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day [is] the *sabbath of rest*, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work [therein]: *it [is] the sabbath of the LORD* in all your dwellings.

Isa 28:11 ¶ For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This [is] the rest [wherewith] ye may cause the weary to rest; and this [is] the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when *the times of refreshing* shall come *from the presence of the Lord*;

Exd 33:14 And he said, My presence shall go [with thee], and I will give thee rest.

1Th 2:19 For what [is] our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? [Are] not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?

If Christ is still yet to come then the perpetual covenant is still in effect, no?

Like the rainbow is an everlasting covenant so is the sabbath. They are seperate from the law, yet were added into it.
The gift of the day of rest came before the law.

Like grace comes before judgement... Idea

the sabbath is a day to be refreshed. Could be this is the day that God's spirit rests in. And we are to rest with him in it. Could be this day is where we find God's presence, which is in his son, which is in us, which is in His day.

Exd 33:14 And he said, My presence shall go [with thee], and I will give thee rest.

1Ch 22:9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be *a man of rest;* and I will *give him rest* from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.

Isa 51:4 Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for *a law shall proceed from me*, and I will make *my judgment to rest* for *a light of the people*.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and *I will give you rest*.

Christ is the sabbath. He is the day of rest. And when we are in obedience to God's will then his presence is with us.

The sabbath is a sign between those who are thankful for the gift of rest God has given to man.
We are told to observe this day, every seventh day, which God showed to the Israelites as the day we call saturday. They have kept it and have been considered enemies of men because of it.

question is...
does God consider them enemies or obedient?

It doesn't really matter what "we think" does it? It's what God says that counts, isn't it?

The Sabbath was made for the Son of Man, and He has given this day to us. This is a day of refreshing...and there are times of refreshing....
every seventh day...

I hink the true meanng of the sabbath is, not to bear our own burdens but to help others with theirs, providing them rest, and giving them refreshing.

Mar 9:41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

The religious leaders of those days would have looked at drawing water for someone who was thirsty as work.
But Jesus came and showed us what the true intent of that day is. Providing care and joy and rest for all of us.
And it is more blessed to give than to recieve. But if you do it as a job seeking a wage, then that will be your reward. And you will not find true rest and happiness in God's gift of the sabbath.

Now Love is the fulfilling of the law. And if we provide love and care everyday, then that day becomes a perpetual day...and everlasting.

The Sabbath of the Lord... Very Happy

The workman is worthy of his meat, but God is gracious in that he provided us with a day of rest and refreshing. This day he made for himself and shares it with us.

God rested on the sabbath day, and while he was resting Adam and Eve got themselves into a lot of trouble. So God gave man the sabbath to remind us that he is always coming back....even when you don't expect him.

Adam.....where are you????

they were hiding from the "presence" of the Lord.

They weren't keeping the sabbath, because if they were then they never would have been seperated. They would have gone along with him.

Then the serpent wouldn't have been able to decieve Eve...see... Very Happy

The Sabbath is the sign that God is coming back, and when he does:

Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Adam where are you?

It's all good... Very Happy

God Bless
Lone
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Silver Surfer · Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject:

R7-12 · Tadpole Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 26

Hello all,

In response to the thread topic, "Can anyone keep the Ten Commandments?" I would like to make a few points.

All the commandments in the law of God originate from God. He gave them to mankind from the beginning and later to an entire nation (Israel) as part of the frist covenant system. They were all later ratified, not by animal blood, but by Christ's blood, which also fulfilled the requirement of the law by paying with his blood what animal blood could not do (Rom. 3:1-8).

Jesus Christ obeyed every command from His God and Father perfectly so as to be obedient and faithful and not sin. It is in this way that he qualified to be the perfect sacrifice required to pay for your and my sins (lawbreaking). It would then be theologically and rationally illogical to not require obedience from us to the divine commands of God.

However, the point I wish to raise here is that if it were not possible for mankind to keep God's commands, then He has set us up from the beginning to fail by giving them and commanding that we keep them, while knowing it is impossible to do so.

That is neither the kind of thinking or actions of the Most High God of the universe.

It is the Adversary that wants us to believe Almighty God gave us an unfair system - unfair commandments and a law which cannot be obeyed. For if we believe this lie, we will reject the commands of God to our own destruction.

The fact of the matter is that Jesus Christ was the one who gave up his pre-existent life as a spiritbeing to become a man, and then perfectly keep all of God's law and commandments so that we might have life - that is, if we repent and strive to do likewise. And if we make mistakes, God, in His infinite wisdom and mercy has made it possible for us to repent for our mistakes, ask to be forgiven, and be washed clean from our lawless errors by the blood of Messiah. And that's why God desires mercy and not sacrifice.

So the truth is that the commandments of God can all be kept. The question is, "do we really want to strive to obey what God says?"

R7-12

RND · Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:36 am Post subject:

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