Tents of Judah

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

i will try to post more this weekend LORD willing....and you try to as well...the rev forum thing will be bits at a time...anyway...goodnight sis...

twelve yoke of oxen....two slaughtered and feed to the people...

twelve tribes, dan is not listed int he rev...twelve apostles, no judas, falls from his place....both are replaced by another...just babbling for now...must look into this deeper...but i bet we will find something new to talk about first... Laughing

MoJo · Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:20 am Post subject:

here's something;

black horses, connected to the beast with the face of a man. He that sat on him had a pair of balances (scales of justice ?) The saints will judge the world.

one penny buys 1 measure of wheat or 3 measures of barley.

Mat 20:2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.

and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Isa 40:12 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?

Very Happy

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matt 6: 34 "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

MoJo · Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:59 pm Post subject:

Hi tss. For reference, the twelve stones on the high priest's breastplate are listed in Ex 39. The are in order of the birth of Jacob's twelve sons.

Let's start with this;

Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and [one] sat on the throne.
Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and [there was] a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

three stones are mentioned here, the jasper, the sardine and the emerald.

In the breastplate, these three are Benjamin, Rueben and Judah. In order, they are 12, 1, and 4.

Let's look at the jasper first.

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light [was] like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Rev 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was [of] jasper: and the city [was] pure gold, like unto clear glass.
Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city [were] garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation [was] jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

properties of the jasper; holy Jerusalem's light is precious and clear as crystal, the building of the wall is like jasper; IOW, clear as crystal, it is the first foundation.

Jasper was the last stone of the breastplate as Benjamin was the last son born and now in Rev it is the first.

Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

The one on the throne also looks like the sardine stone, which is the sardius in the OT and Rueben's stone. Rueben is the first son. Therefore, the one on the throne is both first and last; jasper and sardine.

Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his (Israel's)redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.

Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I [am] he; I [am] the first, I also [am] the last.

Now look at how the reward is distributed;

Mat 20:8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them [their] hire, beginning from the last unto the first.

I'm going to throw in this verse to remind me to come back to it when we move on to the sardine.

1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

My fingers are tired now. Think on these and I'll add later, but it should get you thinking.

Very Happy

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matt 6: 34 "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

thanks mojo....i really enjoyed reading that...please let me look at it for a day or so... Very Happy

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MoJo · Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:45 am Post subject:

Several key words to look at then when it comes to jasper;

Clear;

2Sa 23:3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men [must be] just, ruling in the fear of God.
2Sa 23:4 And [he shall be] as the light of the morning, [when] the sun riseth, [even] a morning without clouds; [as] the tender grass [springing] out of the earth by clear shining after rain.

Greek definition of clear in Rev

1) clean, pure

a) physically

1) purified by fire

2) in a similitude, like a vine cleansed by pruning and so fitted to bear fruit

b) in a levitical sense

1) clean, the use of which is not forbidden, imparts no uncleanness

briefly, clear and clean are synonimous. Healed, Pure and Blameless.

Crystal;

Eze 1:22 ¶ And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature [was] as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.

Rev 4:6 And before the throne [there was] a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, [were] four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

This is some of the things I see in this. The location of the crystal is upon and over the heads of the four living creatures in Ezek and called the firmament. In Rev 4 in heaven, this seems to be called a sea of glass. This would indicate a place between heaven above and the 4 creatures below.

Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so.

And in the firmament

Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them **in** the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

There is scriptural evidence to suggest that New Jerusalem is between this upper heaven and the earth and set in the firmament also called heaven.

Isa 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

See how both heavens and earth vanish.

The word greek glass in Rev is only used twice in Rev and is not the same word Paul uses.

In summary jasper seems to indicate healed, pure, clean, blameless and transparent or clear. It's connection to Benjamin points to Paul and the gentiles. Therefore, the timing of Rev 4 indicates sometime after gentile conversion.

The river of water of life, clear as crystal (jasper) proceeds from the throne.

Eze 47:9 And it shall come to pass, [that] every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

Very Happy

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matt 6: 34 "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

MoJo · Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:10 am Post subject:

The one on the throne also looks like a sardine stone.

Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and [there was] a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

strongs;

a sardius, a precious stone of which there are two types, the former is called a carnelian (because flesh coloured) and the latter a sard

The sardius is Rueben's stone.

1) ruby, carnelian (redness)

1) to be red, red

a) (Qal) ruddy (of Nazarites)

b) (Pual)

1) to be rubbed red

2) dyed red

3) reddened

The hebrew word is odem. The name Adam is derived from this therefore also Edom and Esau.

The rams **skins** are dyed red. The word used in hebrew is *adam* The rams skins are dyed adam and cover the tent.

Isa 63:1 Who [is] this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this [that is] glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.

This would appear to be interpreted that Jesus came in the flesh. His garments are flesh. Edom represents things in the flesh. Bozrah was a city belonging to a duke of Edom. The association of Israel with the name Edom seems to be clearer as Jesus came forth of the Jews.

Very Happy

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matt 6: 34 "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

MoJo · Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:15 am Post subject:

I was reminded to go back to this scripture;

1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

Seems to me then that the order of stones in Exodus with sardius first represents the natural man and the last stone jasper reresents the spiritual man. In Rev the order is reversed and both spirit and flesh are sitting on the throne.

The emerald;

there is not much info regarding the word emerald itself, but we can look at context.

Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: **and [there was] a rainbow** **round about the throne,** in sight like unto an emerald.

Rev 10:1 ¶ And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow [was] upon his head, and his face [was] as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

This is the only two instances where the word rainbow is used, so we have to keep digging and the key is here;

**round about the throne**

Eze 1:26 ¶ And above the firmament that [was] over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
Eze 1:27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
Eze 1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so [was] the appearance of the brightness round about. This [was][/u] the appearance of the [u]likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw [it], I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

Just reading the underlined parts, see what this is saying. The brightness of the rainbow has the likeness of **the glory** of the Lord. The emerald represents Judah.

Gen 9:12 And God said, **This [is] the token ** of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that [is] with you, for perpetual generations:
Gen 9:13 **I do set my bow in the cloud,** and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
Gen 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
Gen 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which [is] between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
Gen 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; **and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant ** between God and every living creature of all flesh that [is] upon the earth.

the emerald = Judah = the rainbow = the token of glory = the token of the everlasting covenant.

The emerald from the account in Ex and Rev remains in the 4th position.

Hsa 11:12 Ephraim compasseth me about with lies, and the house of Israel with deceit: but Judah yet ruleth with God, and is faithful with the saints.

Very Happy

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matt 6: 34 "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

mojo...we need to talk about lebanon...