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TRINIty7806
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 Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: 9/11...... |
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What took place on September 11, 2001 was indeed a tragedy, however I believe that it was the will of God. America known to many other countries as a super power (meaning all powerful) has been bought down by God to wake us up out of our drowsy nature sleep. For the first time in history I saw all creed, ethnicity, culture and denominations come together and give god praise and thanks for life anew. 9/11 was the sermon in many churches, i heard many Pastor preach and say that it was the act of the devil. But i say that it was the act of God. God is tell America that he is the Super Power of all things. Only HE can created and destroy. 9/11 was a wake up call I hope everyone got the message.
P.S. No disrespect to all those that may have lost someone in 9/11 but God loves the truth and so do I...
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FFT
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| TRINITy7806 wrote: | | What took place on September 11, 2001 was indeed a tragedy, however I believe that it was the will of God. America known to many other countries as a super power (meaning all powerful) has been bought down by God to wake us up out of our drowsy nature sleep. |
To what end, exactly?
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RevJP
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | America known to many other countries as a super power (meaning all powerful) has been bought down by God to wake us up out of our drowsy nature sleep. |
Please provide some scriptural support for the idea that God would cause the death of 3000+ people in order to send a nation a message.
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TRINIty7806
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Please provide some scriptural support for the idea that God would cause the death of 3000+ people in order to send a nation a message.
revjp
In the Bible God has destroyed many nations for not following or doing His will. Take for instance the story of Noah God destroyed the whole world already, so what does the Twin Towers mean to Him (absolutely nothing). God also destroyed Sodom and Gommarah. You as a Rev. should know that God creates and destroys. America on a whole worships too many graven images (i.e. Twin Towers) and The Lord Thy God Is a Jealous God and thou shall have no God before Him. He is the beginning and the end, the Alpha and Omega and all that worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth... |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | In the Bible God has destroyed many nations for not following or doing His will. |
Really? I thought He destroyed S & G and flooded the world for thier iniquity...
I also seem to recall that God sent a prophet or a messenger to those places beforehand. Where was ours?
| Quote: | | You as a Rev. should know that God creates and destroys |
 where is Ana when you need her.....
However, the question was asked, and thusfar you have failed to answer accordingly:
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Please provide some scriptural support for the idea that God would cause the death of 3000+ people in order to send a nation a message. |
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Ana
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: |
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*Sigh*
TRINIty7806, I believe RevJP perceived your ill-placed chastisement as a hurling of insults. He may or may not actually be a reverend (my guess is he is actually not one), but it's safer for you not to assume.
Jeez, Rev, I may be quick, but nobody's quicker than you. That was only 5 minutes. 
As for the destruction of cities to send a message to a nation, didn't he at least threaten, in the story of Jonah, to destroy Nineveh, which had 120 000 people, to send a message? Besides, how can anyone claim to know God's intent? Perhaps Sodom and Gomorrah were messages too. Sodom, at least, seemed to be a message to Abraham (who was to become a great nation...).
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:31 am Post subject: Re: 9/11...... |
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| TRINIty7806 wrote: | What took place on September 11, 2001 was indeed a tragedy, however I believe that it was the will of God. America known to many other countries as a super power (meaning all powerful) has been bought down by God to wake us up out of our drowsy nature sleep. For the first time in history I saw all creed, ethnicity, culture and denominations come together and give god praise and thanks for life anew. 9/11 was the sermon in many churches, i heard many Pastor preach and say that it was the act of the devil. But i say that it was the act of God. God is tell America that he is the Super Power of all things. Only HE can created and destroy. 9/11 was a wake up call I hope everyone got the message.
P.S. No disrespect to all those that may have lost someone in 9/11 but God loves the truth and so do I...
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Actually, God made BOTH the Sept. 11th attacks as well as Hurricane Katrina happen. He did this specifically because a) abortion is legal in the U.S. and b) we keep on increasing the rights given to gays.
Listen to what you're saying, man!
If Sept. 11th was caused by God, do you realize that means that Mohammad Atta and all of the other terrorists on those planes (as well as Osama Bin Laden) were God's instruments?!? Do you realize that this means that those crazy Islamists are RIGHT and that God is on THEIR side? After all, they ALSO believe that Sept. 11th was God's will.
Wasn't someone here saying that the Democrats and Osama Bin Laden have the same talking points? I guess they're not the only ones...
You should consider the implications of the crazy things you say before you say them.
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FFT
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I absolutely loved the people that were insisting Katrina was punishment from God.
The French Quarter survived intact, and that's where all those people you hate go to do all those things you hate.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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God uses ones enemies to punish those that go against him.
1Ch 6:15 And Jehozadak went [into captivity], when the LORD carried away Judah and Jerusalem by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar.
God used Nebuchadnezzar to carry Judah and Jerusalem into captivity.
That means war you know?
There was a war, Babylon was given the victory from the Lord, to take his people into captivity.
Why???
Because they were bad kids and didn't listen to their father...
| Quote: | | If Sept. 11th was caused by God, do you realize that means that Mohammad Atta and all of the other terrorists on those planes (as well as Osama Bin Laden) were God's instruments?!? Do you realize that this means that those crazy Islamists are RIGHT and that God is on THEIR side? After all, they ALSO believe that Sept. 11th was God's will. |
Lone who are you quoting? Nobby
Nope, doesn't mean their right, it just means we're wrong.
And God isn't on "their side", he just punishing those that deserve to be punished.
And this isn't intended for individuals, these things are done against whole nations. Not because of an individuals goodness or badness. But the whole lot is infected. And sometimes the good get taken with the bad.
Look at Daniel, he was a good guy, but he still went into captivity. And many people were slain. So who's going to get the greater punishment in the end?
The ones that are slain, or the ones doing the slaying??
Vicious cycle it is...better just not to play.
I was looking to see if God ever punished a nation for not going out to war?
still looking
something about putting ones neck under the yoke.
this is interesting:
Deu 20:10 ¶ When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.
Deu 20:11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, [that] all the people [that is] found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.
Deu 20:12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:
Deu 20:13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
Deu 20:14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, [even] all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
Deu 20:15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities [which are] very far off from thee, which [are] not of the cities of these nations.
Deu 20:16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee [for] an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
Deu 20:17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; [namely], the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
Deu 20:18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.
So if your coming to attack proclaim peace first, and if they hear you, well, then they become your tributaries and they become your servants.
And if not...then have at it...
Gots to take a look into the crystal balls' recent past, did we come in peace or just attack?
Did they come in peace or just attack?
who drew first blood???
maybe not so recent past huh?
it doesn't matter really, the bottom line is this:
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
so whether you take it up for attack ot take it up for defence, whoever takes it up will perish with it.
Thou shalt not kill....prime directive....
anything after this is in direct violation of the commandment.
so both sides are guilty...
take captives..ok, take slaves..ok, kill...un unh...
This here's a test:
thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
If they follow this command then they break the commandment not to kill.
see the test??
divide..divide..divide...
Eze 20:23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;
Eze 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
Eze 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes [that were] not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
You see here God says if they won't accept your peace go and destroy them?
You see where Jesus says if they won't accept your peace shake the dust off your feet and move on.
They didn't want to move on, they wanted to divide and conquer....
that's the test.
If they had kept the commandments then they never would have lost a war. They may have become slaves, but God would have mercy on them and He would have kicked the enemies butt..
Deu 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, [with] his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, [and] to his people.
Isa 35:4 Say to them [that are] of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come [with] vengeance, [even] God [with] a recompence; he will come and save you.
but they chose to take matters into their own hands....nothing changes..
Lone
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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*Boom*
*Thunderbolts*
*Earthquakes*
Just practicing in case I get the job someday.
I will move this to our Muslim debate forum.
And for my two cents, the whole thing of God acting like Loki or Zeus killing people, I think it is a little twisted.
Trinity7806, you have started with a bang - kudos for that.
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FFT
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Tch tch, I don't think Loki ever actually killed anyone. Of course, that depends on if you think the stories of Ragnarok are history or prophecy seeing as how he's directly involved in the death of Baldr.
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I LOVE the Ragnarok power on AOM, it's the best.
And with that, I think this thread has been officially hijacked.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:16 am Post subject: |
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And with that, I think this thread has been officially hijacked. |
Ha! A thread in the Islamic forum hijacked! Call the Department of Homeland Security!
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RevJP
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:28 am Post subject: |
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y'all are nuts.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: |
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y'all are nuts. |
Agreed.
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