An insight into The book of Revelation & The Mass

John R Nolan · Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:50 pm Post subject: MIRACLES ARE MARVELLOUS

Having read through the long speil about all the amazing 'miracles' which supposedly occured with the eucharist, the moon god' of the r.c. denomination, one is led to recall the stories he heard whilst a slave of their doctrines
The miracles at Lourdes, the miracles here there and everywhere, and as a child, I was very impressed, but, when I became a man I put away childish things
I read Mat.7;1-23; Jn.3:34; Mat.24:11; 24, and found out that Lucifer can duplicate all the gifts bar one, and that we are not to look to works, signs, wonders on which to base our faith, but upon His Word alone
There have been many ministries which have displayed all sorts of lying wonders and miracles, but have later been found living in adultry, embezzeling their flocks, etc., the list goes on
Miracles are no proof of God's presence, signs and wonders, Scripturally, they should FOLLOW the WORD, and are subject to It
Get your eyes off the party tricks.
Lucifer can out miracle any man, having been given permission by GOD, to deceive all but the very elect, and get yourself back to HIM, the WORD

nobody important · Young Wolf Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 517

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:55 am Post subject:

hello important,

there's a lot there to chew on that's for sure.
I'll try to take a little bite at a time, ok?

nobody important · Young Wolf Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 517

L.T. Thanks for your response.

When I asked you to answer my concerns it was regarding My post which questioned my faith if I didnt have faith in the Church... But seeing as you are the first to have a real go at the OP Very Happy

.... please, please Continue

But I still would like you to address my other concerns too if you would.

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:48 am Post subject:

Israel put all their faith and dedication into the temple and in the congregation. And many times it fell, and at times was very strong.
But they had put their hope and faith in something that became more real to them then God. The services they performed, they believed, were righteous and exactly what God wanted them to do. So they took to these tasks with all their hearts and minds and souls.

Can you imagine the dedication, the sweat the tears the hours invested in keeping all the things ready exactly as they were told to do. It became such a tedious task. They couldn't do it all. No matter how hard they tried and how much they cried the job was just too big for them to handle.

As time went on they would falter and fall. And because they thought within themselves that they were righteous God sent them into captivity into other nations to live as the heathen do. To show them and to teach them that they themselves were unrighteous. They are no different than the rest of the people in the whole world. They were just as much sinners as the nation who lived right next door. So God sent them to be enslaved by other nations and to come under their authority until they didn't like being slaves any more and wanted the freedom which they had under God.

Up and down history goes..Good king, bad king, freedom captivity..bondaged and set free. Always for one reason. There is only one God. And his ways are the ways we need to live by. He created us and he created the laws we need to live by.

Men change the laws. They feel they are too strict or too heavy and they begin to cast aside the ones they don't like. A little word change here, a little twisting of the meaning there, and wallah!! it's either changed beyond recognition or it is just taken out altogether.

Other times men have added things to the laws. Mostly for profit or for gain but most of all for preeminence and mastery over the people. They ruled them with fear and with scare tactics. So that they would obey the leaders rather than God himself.

Not much different than what Pharoah had done to the hebrews. He ruled them with cruelty and with slavery. And Jerusalem had become it's own worst enemy. It had become Pharoah itself and it's nation had become that of Egypt.

The people believed in those that led them. They believed in what the priests had been teaching them. This is the Holy people of God. His chosen ones. Hand picked from the furnace of Egypt.

Important....
The bible is an everlasting prophecy. The names and places change but God and man remain the same. God is forever righteous and man is forever evil. There are some who escape. Those who deny the world and it's control over the people.

Samuel had gone to Jesse to find the one that God would annoint king over Israel. All of Josephs sons had come when their father had called.
But David...David was out tending the sheep. He didn't come running with the masses when authority called out he remained at his post, until he was personally sent for. This one who was least among them, who did not run with the crowd. Who remained with the sheep even though the world was calling him to run with them...he chose to keep his fathers sheep.

Churches....families....gatherings....
As if these authorities have more power and dictate more sway over the people than doing the job that was given to do.

each individual is a David. each one of us should be tending the sheep. Fighting off bears and wolves and lions, but instead many run from the sheep and leave them unattended because their parents have called them away.

Mar 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,

It was the church in the wilderness that fell, it was the congregation in Jerusalem that fell, it was Pharoahs army that fell....something about going with the crowd leads one into disasters.

I think because many feel that there is power in numbers...that the more slaves they have the more powerful they become.

I often wondered why it was a sin for David to take a count of Israel. I think I understand now. It wasn't the numbering that was a sin, it was the idea that in numbers there is power to overcome others and to make war and take prey and to rule by their own authority.

You know the history of the catholic church. You know about the inquisitions and the wars against those who were slain if they did not go by the church's rules.
Jerusalem, Egypt, Sodom, all these did the same thing. There is no difference between the past the present and the future.
They began to mingle and to come together and they all had different gods and different idols and they all believed in whatever they chose to believe in. They began to build a city, but the city wasn't big enough. So they decided to build a tower. But the tower fell. So they decided to build a government seen as the image in Daniel, but the image was destroyed. So they decided that they would rule the world. This is the beast in revelation. Man believing that he is God and that the world and all that's in it is at our disposel to do with whatever we please.
We set up laws, we set up governments and then create a system of slavery where people pay tribute to our own powers that be.
We become rich and fat and we believe that we are the answer to the worlds woes, when in fact we ourselves are the woe brought upon our own selves.

There are many things that do not follow God's ways in many religions around the world. Not one of them is perfect. We have not submitted everything to God. We all hold back something. And mainly this something is rulership. Whether it be Pope, Priest, Pastor, Father. It's all about one believing that they have the right to rule over God's creation.

Defiance can be found in every religion. From Pharoah himself:

Exd 5:2 And Pharaoh said, Who [is] the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go.

Dan 3:15 Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; [well]: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who [is] that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?

Every religion believes that they themselves know who God is. They place God in themselves saying I Am God..like Pharoah, or they create great images and cast fear over the people to reverence the things they believe in...Like Nebuchadnezzar.

Like the Pharisees and Saducees in the temple at Jerusalem. They did not know God...they did not hear his voice.

Jerusalem was bound for destruction and a new kingdom was about to be born. This kingdoms name is christianity and it has ruled the world for 2000 years. A short time really when you consider how many years Israel ruled or Egypt or Babylon.
These kingdoms have not disappeared they have been absorbed into other religions and governments. And we are all mixed together as clay and iron are mixed together.

This world system all of it are the toes. The catholic church has not been removed from the world it is in the center of it. As God was in the midst of the garden, so the catholic church is in the midst of the world.

The church has many children, sons and daughters. And there was a son who rebelled and left the flock and became a protestor to the church.

Cain...But cain has many children. They went on to create Caanan, and Egypt, and Babylon....And even concoured Jerusalem.

Abel had been slain.

And the Gentiles took over Jerusalem this was why Jesus was sent. To destroy the evil that was growing in the temple. To rid it of it's leprous ways. And so he brought a plague against it, a famine and war, and finally death to the people that God had chosen to call out for himself a name.

The Gentiles were given the privledge to wear that name and to begin rebuilding the true temple and righteous paths of the Lord.

But there are laws about leprousy. And when you are mingled with those who have diseases then you yourself become enslaved to those diseases also. This leprousy takes on internal and external signs.
One is Power another greed another vanity and the list goes on....

The evils that were in Jerusalem they were not entirely destroyed, but they slept while the world moved on. And as time went on these signs of disease began to emerge once again.

Idolatry, worshipping of angels, riches and pride....

Many catholics I believe see that good that once was there. They see within the veil. Their eyes have been covered by the darkness that surrounds the church. If you could step outside and clear your eye and open your ears you would see that not all is as it should be...

and yet it is...because prophecy never fails....

Many did not see the fall of Egypt. They were fed, they were clothed, they weren't griping. Because these are the ones that paid tribute to Pharoah and they were given special privledges.

Exd 16:3 And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, [and] when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.

They didn't see the disease. They were covered in it and didn't recognize the evil that was lurking within the very land that they lived in.

Many did not see the fall of Jerusalem. Many times the people did not flee but were taken into captivity with those who led them there.

Many did not see the fall of Babylon....The kingdom that ruled the world with an iron rod had come to naught...

and for a long time the world did not have a king.

1Sa 8:4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,
1Sa 8:5 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.
1Sa 8:6 ¶ But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.
1Sa 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
1Sa 8:8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
1Sa 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.

This same scenerio....When Zacchariah prayed to the Lord...

Luk 1:5 ¶ There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife [was] of the daughters of Aaron, and her name [was] Elisabeth.
Luk 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Luk 1:7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were [now] well stricken in years.
Luk 1:8 And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course,
Luk 1:9 According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord.
Luk 1:10 And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense.
Luk 1:11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
Luk 1:12 And when Zacharias saw [him], he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
Luk 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
Luk 1:14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

Luk 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

1Sa 8:19 ¶ Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
1Sa 8:20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
1Sa 8:21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
1Sa 8:22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.

Luk 23:37 And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.

how many kings saught to save themselves? They had not asked for a king to hide behind them, they had asked for a king to go and fight their battles for them.

They sent their own king to the front lines of the battlefield. This is so like David:

2Sa 11:14 And it came to pass in the morning, that David wrote a letter to Joab, and sent [it] by the hand of Uriah.
2Sa 11:15 And he wrote in the letter, saying, Set ye Uriah in the forefront of the hottest battle, and retire ye from him, that he may be smitten, and die.

You know everytime man sets up a king over them rather than God, they are sent out as a sheep to be slaughtered. Because men choose not to stand and fight for themselves, they choose another to die for them.

I feel this way when it comes to the Pope also. Here is a man. Who is sent out into the world to take all the heat and blasting upon himself. How many times was an attempt made on Pope John Paul's life? And he passed away a very frail sick man. Set up for the slaughter of the world.

I know you don't see this. I know many feel that they do God service by erecting themselves a king to lead them. But this is not what God wanted. He wanted to lead us himself. He himself resided in the Ark of the covenant when the children crossed the wilderness. He alone walked among men and led them through the flood. He alone walked in the wilderness and battled Satan and defeated the destroyer.
And the world rose up and slew Abel...again.

Men once again chose to eat when they were told not to. Men once again raised themselves an Idol an Image to look up to so that when they were bitten they would not die. And for this cause was the serpent sent into the world....to be cursed for the sins of the world.
And for this cause was Jesus sent into the world...to remove the curse which had been put upon it.

Alas!! Peradventure there be ten righteous, will you destroy the righteous with the wicked?.....

They did not repent. They were destroyed. And time rolls on...and on..and on..and on...

The people have chosen a leader they call Pope Father of the Catholic faith. They crown him and set him on a throne. People come from around the world to hear his wisdom and his judgments. And the people pay tribute to the man they have chosen to lead the world in righteousness.

You have set him up for the slaughter....and you do not see because your eyes and your ears and your understanding has been blinded by the world.

The Church is falling. Because man is incapabale of walking perfect before God. No matter who we set in the throne, they will be torn down. Because there is no man who has ever been given the right to rule in God's throne....only God himself.

Someday we will turn to God and he will have mercy on our souls.

Until then we are as sheep led to the slaughter...for His names sake.

Because God can not lie and every word he speaks is truth. And we do not want to hear the truth, so we destroy the law because we do not want the light to shine on our evilness.

Exd 20:1 ¶ And God spake all these words, saying,
Exd 20:2 ¶ I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Exd 20:3 ¶ Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Exd 20:4 ¶ Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:

Exd 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;

Exd 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

God has not spoken in vain...he will do what he has said he will do.

God does not lie.
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

nobody important · Young Wolf Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 517

LT...but what about my concerns?

cballard · Grizzly Bear Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 731 Location: WV

Oh Lone, you understand and yet you don't. How can I make you see that when I go Mass, I get Jesus up close and personal. I don't go to Jesus, He comes to me. Your understanding is just you and the written word of God. No difference between the OT God and the Jews and the good news of Jesus and the world (Gentiles).

Was there nothing that the Jews did that was pleasing to God? There was. When Noah, Abraham, and others built the altars and made sacrifices, God was pleased. In fact, he told them to celebrate the different feasts and Jesus celebrated them too. Now, surely Jesus never did anything that was displeasing to God. Jesus left us the truth not in word only, but also in deed. And He told us what to do. He left us teachers.

We are not orphans wandering in the desert left to live our lives starved for intimacy with God. The good news of Jesus in the Eucharist is that we need not starve but be filled because God, the lover of our souls, has come to us physically and not just spiritually. Now even our bodies are made as divine through our physical union with Christ.

I believe I have been taught the gospel as Jesus taught the apostles and Scripture attests to. I didn't have to find it all by myself and indeed I doubt if I ever could have going on my own steam with no teachers. I love my Church because she gives me strength with the Word made flesh and the Scruptural Word. It all makes sense to me.

nobody important · Young Wolf Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 517

Even if all human institutions have failed why should I believe that of the Church built by Christ he is not a man like any other man he is a man who is God and he promised us the gates of hell shall not prevail and yes we have had corrupt popes we have suffered shism and scandle we are under attack from within and from without but the faith is preserved from falsehood, men are men they sin but the faith is protected.. look at pope...John, I think it was Pope john X? (not sure) but this pope was a muderer an adulterer, he commited incest and was killed by the husband of a woman he was raping...but did he bring in one destructive doctrine did he change the faith to allow for his perversions did he institute anything that was contrary to the church tradition left by the apostles and their succesors did he introduce one doctrine that opposed scripture...no!

We should find the positives... success and failure are only how we see them. Did jesus Fail or did he succeed in his protection?

Would I put my soul into the hands of such a man if he were pope..... you bet your bottom doller I would.... not because of his sinlessness but because of his protection by Christ from introducing false doctrines and corrupt teachings, his infallibility in matters of faith and Christian morals...even if he himself be the biggest hypocrite...the lord is true to his promises!

the Catholic Church will not be brought down by corrupt popes, by power hungry kings, by blood thirsty emperors by communism by socialism by capitialism by ocnservitiveism by liberalism by protestantism it is protected by Jesus Christ

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject:

Hi you two...

What I'm trying to say and as direct as I possibly can is,

Your faith in God is more important than your faith in an institution.

Kingdoms rise and fall. And they are raised and brought down to teach us not to put our faith in things that perish in this world.

God speaks to each and everyone of us in our own language. What is good for this one may not be good for that one. Each one after his own ability to hear and comprehend what God gives him to hear.

That tower of Babel. Everyone was on the same level of understanding. If there ever was a united catholic church of the world, this tower represented that idea.

God came down and saw that men were building together and they had come from all different walks of life to build a church/tower/government/
one world organization so that all men could come to one place and reach heaven.

Why was this wrong? why didn't God want them to touch him?
Why did he come down and break apart this congregation as if it were a loaf of bread and scatter it among the world for the birds to eat?

There is a reason....it has something to do with unleavened bread and breaking bread and spreading seed for every creature of God's to eat.

No one should hold onto the whole loaf. It wasn't meant to be in the hands of one people. God's word is for every person whether Jew or Gentile slave or free.

The only way we will ever come together as one whole loaf is when everyone is making the bread together.

The one who plows the field is the same as the one who sows the seed, is the same as the one who waters the field, who tends the garden, who reaps the corn, who thrashes out at the threshing floor, who grinds the corn, who adds the oil, who heats the oven, who molds the bread, who readys the pan, who sets it in the oven, who watches over the baking, who says when its done, who removes from the oven, who breaks the bread, who serves the people, and who sits down to eat.

each office held by another but everyone taking turns at the different functions so no one individual ever becomes more important in his own mind than another.

We are ALL in this together, yet the divisions are incredible. Like cracks in the tower at Jericho..we all parade around and around we go until the walls fall and the whole thing comes crashing down.

There is NO preeminence. No one congregation is above another. No one church has more authority than another. No one is better than the next guy.

It's when WE decide that WE are stronger or smarter or wiser or more desirable or more worthy of partaking of the bread, that instead of the bread giving nourishment it becomes the bread of affliction.

God loves all of us. I do not need to join this church or that synagogue or that monastary, for God to recognize that I recognize Him.
He is above all these things....Above them you see...

And I do not need to eat this or drink that in order to be closer to Him or for Him to be more real to me. It never has anything to do with observations or traditions. These things were set down, these ordinances, to lead us to understand who, what, when, and why we are who we are in relation to Him.

They are only for signs. If it takes these signs for one to believe or to make their faith stronger than by all means these things were made for you. But to me...I hear a different message.
It doesn't mean that it is from a different messenger. It is all the same message just each one hears God in their own ability to hear.

You know those gifts that Paul talks about? gifts of tongues and prophecies and teaching and healing and whatever other gifts there be. Each gift is given to man to bring that one individual closer to God.

God gave men different gifts because not everyone needs the same ministering of a particular gift to them.

I say in my faith I believe and I hear in my own way, that I need nothing more than like the publican, to come forward and fall on my knees and cry God!! I am an unworthy sinner!! Have mercy on me.

And he hears me, because I believe that he hears me. And it is my belief and my faith that I believe God respects more than all the offerings and sacrifices I could ever bring to the altar.
That it is your very heart that He is looking at. Bleeding and crying and suffering and yearning to find Him. Not in a building, Not something that is so far above us that he can not hear...but as a Father who bends his ear down and hears the sounds of my very soul.

This is my connection to God. This is where I am.

I don't need certain prayers or going to church on certain days, these are things that we institute so that those who do not know God can find
"a path" a beginning point to move on forward.

They say all paths lead to Rome. All paths lead to God. You will find Him either in heaven above or in Hell below, but either way you go He is there.
And every one tries and is led in their each and every individual way to find and to be found by God.

God gave Israel one path. He gave christianity another path. Yet not another, it is the same path, yet on a different level. hard to explain.

I honestly don't care what titile or what denomination anyone chooses to be called by. When the day is ended and we all stand before God, all of these labels will be removed. And there will be no denominations, no titles, no authorities, no traditions, no observations...all things will be gone.
And that day, when "you" stand before God, there will only be "you" and God. There won't be anyone holding your hand or saying I told you so. Everything that you have done will be weighed in the scales according to your heart.

I can recite 100 Our Fathers and 500 Hail Mary's, but if my heart is not right with God, then no amount of prayer will ever reach his ears.

I can light 15 candles and give %50 of everything I own to the church, but if my heart is not right with God, then all of that is in vain. All those deeds will be for nothing. Yes I would have done what is the right thing to do, but without faith in the one that you believe in, what good is it.

I hear Paul:

1Cr 13:1 ¶ Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Cr 13:2 And though I have [the gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Cr 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed [the poor], and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Cr 13:4 Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Cr 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Cr 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Cr 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Cr 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Cr 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Cr 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

To Love one another is more important than performing rituals and traditions. To Love one another is more important than being a part of a certain group. To Love one another is more important than being a leader.

All of these things that we do today will vanish tomorrow. When the world has taken it's last breath and everything is crumbling around us. The only thing that will remain at the end of the day...is Love.

God says if you Love me, keep my commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. They remove all obstacles that come between us. And many obstacles there be in this world. They look good, they sound good, and many put their faith in them, but is it what God has said is good?

And each person individually must stand before that tree in the garden and decide for himself whether he will choose to obey or not.

If your religion brings you closer and nearer to God, then who am I to tell you not to follow that which you believe?
I only show you how I believe and how I hear and how I understand God speaking to my heart.

Your path and my path may not appear to be on the same road, however at the end of the day we will all stand before God from whatever direction we came from.

And God calls from the North and South and East and West. Whether your buddhist, confucist, muslim, catholic, protstant, jw, mormon.....

We will all come and stand in the kingdom. Not a tower that we have built with our own hands, which crumbles with decay over time. But an indestructible kingdom that is built on the pillars of Love and Truth.

God Bless you both...I hope you can hear what I'm saying...

Lets not argue about things that divide us. Because this is vanity. And it causes us to lose precious time building eachother up, rather than knocking eachother down.

Only Satan enjoys watching us tear at eachother...why do we give him so much ammunition???

How can we communicate without ever offending another????

some day we will all have one perfect language and we will all share in the perfect liberty of Love which God bestows upon all His children.
In the meantime we are readying for war. Because this division among ourselves is nothing compared with the battle that lies ahead.

Faith itself is going to be tried. And the only thing we will have is our ability to believe in God. Do not put your faith in material things and signs and wonders...these are there to soften us up and to weaken our defenses.
A time is coming when great signs and wonders will come over the earth again, and we will all have to take a stand on faith.
You believe that the trials and tribulations are coming on those who do not believe? Nay...but on those who do.

Many will fall because they believe the miracles...and these are coming to try the world to see if we will follow signs rather than the very word of God.

Again.

If thou art the son of God......It IS WRITTEN.....

remember....and study...and prepare.

God Bless
Lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

nobody important · Young Wolf Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 517