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P1234567890
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| RevJP wrote: | | Quote: | | Find me just one example of scientists making true predictions based on ID being true... |
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How does the idea that life was intelligently designed negate the evidence that certain species are similar?
Evolution says that all life evolved from the same source, pretty much. Intelligent design says that life was designed, part of the intelligence in that design was the use of a master blueprint for life. Certain species are similar? Of course they are, they were designed to be. |
It sounds to me like you are making the argument that God created similar 'kinds' of animals, and that this is essentially the same thing as evolutionists saying that certain animals are closely related.
This may be true in a broad sense, but the Biblical account is not precise enough for performing scientific experiments. For example, if you go by the 'God created different kinds of animals' argument, it is totally unclear whether we are more closely related to pigs or to monkies; after all, we are built more like monkies, but pigs have skin that looks like ours. In fact, if you go by the Bible, you might even think that we aren't related to either of them, because God made us separately!
By contrast, ToE tells us EXACTLY which creatures are most closely related to us, and therefore tells us exactly which animals to test our drugs on so that we don't have to test them on humans.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Evolution says that all life evolved from the same source, pretty much. Intelligent design says that life was designed, part of the intelligence in that design was the use of a master blueprint for life. Certain species are similar? Of course they are, they were designed to be. |
Except that the theory of evolution explains why bats have solid bones but birds have hollow ones.
How does intelligent design do that? Surely one or the other must be superior for flight?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | RevJP wrote: | | Evolution says that all life evolved from the same source, pretty much. Intelligent design says that life was designed, part of the intelligence in that design was the use of a master blueprint for life. Certain species are similar? Of course they are, they were designed to be. |
Except that the theory of evolution explains why bats have solid bones but birds have hollow ones.
How does intelligent design do that? Surely one or the other must be superior for flight? |
Not to mention whales having hind legs... ToE tells us EXACTLY why whales are sometimes born with hind legs. ID doesn't even come close...
Or why horses are sometimes born with toes, or why humans are sometimes born with tails, etc., etc.
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Pete
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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The theory of evolution is just that - a theory, that has not proven anything scientifically. It still takes a designer to produce cures for medical problems. Bats only produce bats, crocs only produce crocs, horses produce more horses, apes can only produce more apes and humans produce more humans.
Evolution is a fraud and an unscientific fairy tale that has nothing to back it up. Evolution is the last bastion of atheism and the only reason it gets any press. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Pete wrote: | | The theory of evolution is just that - a theory, that has not proven anything scientifically. It still takes a designer to produce cures for medical problems. Bats only produce bats, crocs only produce crocs, horses produce more horses, apes can only produce more apes and humans produce more humans. |
Pete, please don't take this the wrong way... but this really is not a good way to argue this subject. A theory is nothing more than a "well-substantiated explanation of data." Other theories include the Theory of Relativity, Atomic Theory, etc... and they are well substantiated theories.
Now, I would agree that perhaps the theory is not as 'well-substantiated' as asserted by scientists, but it is a theory predicated on evidence they believe to be valid.
Not that I agree completely with THIS list from AiG, they do present some good tips.
| Quote: | | Evolution is the last bastion of atheism and the only reason it gets any press. |
Now, that is a statement that I can agree with. 
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Agree, I think the "evolution is just a theory" is actually on the Answers In Genesis list of arguments NOT to use anymore. (They have a list of previously used, but now deprecated, arguments against evolution).
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| admin wrote: | | Agree, I think the "evolution is just a theory" is actually on the Answers In Genesis list of arguments NOT to use anymore. (They have a list of previously used, but now deprecated, arguments against evolution). |
You would be correct... I linked to it in my previous post. It is towards the very bottom of the page...
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Pete wrote: | The theory of evolution is just that - a theory, that has not proven anything scientifically. It still takes a designer to produce cures for medical problems. Bats only produce bats, crocs only produce crocs, horses produce more horses, apes can only produce more apes and humans produce more humans.
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Are you an exact clone of your parents? No! Except for a couple of strange cases, reproduction always creates creatures which are slightly different.
Enough of these slight differences over time can add up to create creatures which are VERY different.
Just look at whales. Their ancestors had hind legs. I would say that losing limbs qualifies as a big difference, wouldn't you?
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