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theseldomscene
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| fake wrote: | | If you can, do a write-in and put God on the ballot, then you have voted, and voted the only way you feel is apropiate. |
you beautiful little featherless bird you....that would fix the problem all the way round....  ....i just very well may do that very thing... |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | No argument here... I'm not saying that at all. We didn't go to iraq to go fight OBL or Al Queda... we went there for other reasons that I have repeatedly listed on this board... however, at the time, the intelligence stated that there was a connection... albeit small... there were thought to be contacts between the two... anyhow... |
this is a contradiction of your next point..i am sure i just misunderstand what you are trying to say...please clarify.....
| Quote: | | Wrong, OBL has declared war on the US... attacked our country... and continues to want to harm our country. He has stated that Iraq ia part of this war... I'll take him at his word and take the fight there. |
he stated that before or after we invaded iraq?...if after then iraq had nothing to do with the war on terror, but now is its focal point...that would be our mistake... |
Although OBL did not initially believe, or, as it would seem, have as deep as ties with Iraq as we thought prior to the run up to the war (as the intelligence pointed to at the time)... he believes that the battle against the United States (meaning the war he declared on us back in the 1990s) is now being fought in Iraq.
TSS, just like we did not fight all of WWII in North Africa, Italy, France... and Germany... neither does this war confine the battles to any one country right now. The problem with Islamic Fascism is that it is not confined to national boarders. The fact that Al Queda has contributed substantial funds, manpower, and effort in Iraq is a testament to that OBL, and Al Queda believes the war is in Iraq right now... and we are fighting them where they are... not waiting for them to come to us.
| Quote: | | my point exactly...but see above answer...they should have taken him out themsleves if they really didn't like it...sadr has men willing to die for him....you mean one of them could not have killed saddam when he made a public appearance and paid the price for it...they willing kill themselves for less... |
TSS... the fact is they didn't... couldn’t... or wouldn’t. We could not allow him operate in a post 9/11 world... knowing what we knew then... if he would have snuck VX into a Hammas camp... set some of that stuff off in downtown Jerusalem... or worst yet... New York... then what? We have gone over this several times... you and virtually every one on this planet would have been standing in line demanding Bush's head on a platter because he didn't move on Saddam knowing what we knew. It would have been great if the Shia would have overthrown him in 1991 right after the Guld War... but, they didn't. What they should have done is not what happened and now we are left to do the job they wouldn't.
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | you and virtually every one on this planet would have been standing in line demanding Bush's head on a platter because he didn't move on Saddam knowing what we knew |
sin works death...no one deserves it more than me...'cause i know what i am...i would never demand the execution of bush...nor do i wish for any man to be put to death....but all will be anyway...
i understand what you are saying here brother...and your words carry great weight...wouldn't it have been better though...in order to protect new york from saddam attacking it...by keeping the home guard home?...and not oversees...then...in a 911 world...in an age of very tight security...they could protect new york and keep saddam from getting in here to start with?..or those that take advantage of the vacancy?..what if some snuck through the wilderness, burned us with fire, cause mass evacuations in the cities foure nothing....shut down the nation foure weeks?...want some then scream...down with him...for there was none to protect us?... |
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Pondering
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:26 am Post subject: |
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Good editorial by Orson Scott Card (award winning Sci-Fi writer)...He's a Democrat that is afraid of what happens if the Dems win this election...he does a good job explaining why...
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P1234567890
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| Pondering wrote: | Good editorial by Orson Scott Card (award winning Sci-Fi writer)...He's a Democrat that is afraid of what happens if the Dems win this election...he does a good job explaining why...
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I think he screws up right away on his first line:
| Quote: | | There is only one issue in this election that will matter five or ten years from now, and that's the War on Terror. |
I would argue that if you want to state things in such an extreme way, then the most important (or 'only') issue in this election that will matter five or ten (or fifty) years from now is climate change.
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Pondering
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: |
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and I'd disagree..
1) the Climate isn't actively trying to kill you
2) Humans can change their environment or adapt to the environment they live in.
3) Any sort of "Drastic" change will take longer than 5 to 10 years to affect the global population....
I'm not saying it's not an area of concern, I'm saying it's not the issue that "green" folks are pushing....
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P1234567890
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Yeah, but just look at the number of Americans killed by terrorists every year. With the exception of the year 2001, the number is very small. Then look at the number of Americans that will be killed as a result of climate change. There's really no comparison.
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1) the Climate isn't actively trying to kill you
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Maybe not, but neither are bad drivers, and I'm MUCH more likely to be killed on the road than by a terrorist...
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2) Humans can change their environment or adapt to the environment they live in.
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I'm not saying that climate change is going to cause our species to go extinct. I'm just saying that it's going to end civilization as we know it.
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3) Any sort of "Drastic" change will take longer than 5 to 10 years to affect the global population....
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Yes, but the flip side of that coin is that fixing the climate problem is also going to to take more than 5 or 10 years, and by the time the worst is upon us, it's already going to be too late.
Climate change is much more capable of destroying the world than terrorists are...
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I'm not saying it's not an area of concern, I'm saying it's not the issue that "green" folks are pushing.... |
Apparently the Pentagon agrees with me that climate change is a greater threat to U.S. national security than terrorism... Check it out:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0222-01.htm
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | i understand what you are saying here brother...and your words carry great weight...wouldn't it have been better though...in order to protect new york from saddam attacking it...by keeping the home guard home?...and not oversees...then...in a 911 world...in an age of very tight security...they could protect new york and keep saddam from getting in here to start with?..or those that take advantage of the vacancy?..what if some snuck through the wilderness, burned us with fire, cause mass evacuations in the cities foure nothing....shut down the nation foure weeks?...want some then scream...down with him...for there was none to protect us?... |
TSS... we have tried that 'keeping the troops home' scenario before. It got us nowhere. It just makes you a target waiting to get hit. Kinda like doge ball. You can dodge all day long, be the best at it, and even demonstrate the greatest skill at evading... however, statistically speaking... unless you go after you opponent, he is eventually going to tag you out.
We are going after those who previously thought we would never peruse them outside our borders... and they can stand it. That is why all you hear from the media is how evil America is... how evil Bush is... never ever how evil these folks who perpetrated these acts and countless others... no, only America and Bush are evil.
Well, the papers don't do a very good job at defending us. As a matter of fact, if Islam had its own way... the papers and those who work in them would be the first ones marched out to the football stadiums for the mass executions!
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‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | As a matter of fact, if Islam had its own way... the papers and those who work in them would be the first ones marched out to the football stadiums for the mass executions! |
I think they actually prefer soccer stadiums...
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Trinity1
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| P1234567890 wrote: |
I think they actually prefer soccer stadiums... |
So it seems... however, the US is short of the soccer stadiums... so football stadiums will have to sufice. 
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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[quote=" | Quote: | Trinity1TSS... we have tried that 'keeping the troops home' scenario before. It got us nowhere. It just makes you a target waiting to get hit. Kinda like doge ball. You can dodge all day long, be the best at it, and even demonstrate the greatest skill at evading... however, statistically speaking... unless you go after you opponent, he is eventually going to tag you out.
We are going after those who previously thought we would never peruse them outside our borders... and they can stand it. That is why all you hear from the media is how evil America is... how evil Bush is... never ever how evil these folks who perpetrated these acts and countless others... no, only America and Bush are evil.
Well, the papers don't do a very good job at defending us. As a matter of fact, if Islam had its own way... the papers and those who work in them would be the first ones marched out to the football stadiums for the mass executions! |
all the more reason to protect the press and allow them to print freely...if it is between the freedom of the press and almost anything...give me a free press no matter the cost or price...it is the greatest tool any free sociey has and is in my mind more important than anything elses...safe soldiers or not...also, i disagree...we tried it at home you say...it didn't work you say...so we invade iraq....who has never bothered us....who had nothing to do with the attacks we received...soooo...
now it is better to have the war going on there than here many say...welll....that is love thy neighbor huh?... we are attacked by one group, and wage war on another...saying...better any attacks happen there...better their families die than ours....sorry...i disgree....and that very train of thought goes against the teachings of JESUS on all levels....
under no circumstances should the press be infringed upon by the gov...-period...no matter the cost....bush is hated because he lies...he started a war we cannot get out of...over nothing...let the press tell it...down with bush...up with the freepress.... |
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