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Trinity1
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | If you think about it, there aren't that many mechanisms for upward mobility in America. Forget about rock stars and lottery winners, because their numbers are insignificant. What can the average person born into a poor family do to make it in America? |
Are you actually being serious here P? There aren't many mechanisms? I have noticed that this type of attitude permeates about 50% of our population... I'll give you one guess what the majority political persuasion is... but anyway... I would like to know what prevents someone from rising to the top of anything in the US?
Our country is like one big amusement park for making money.... if you are willing to work hard, dedicate yourself, you can do just about anything your heart desires.
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luck and timing factor in there too, but I think that there are many more paths to "success" than what you've listed P#s... 
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Trinity1
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| Pondering wrote: | | luck and timing factor in there too, but I think that there are many more paths to "success" than what you've listed P#s... |
Hard work?
Dedication?
Persistence?
Loyalty?
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P1234567890
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Here's my take on the whole Kerry thing: he's an idiot for giving Karl Rove's attack machine so much ammunition.
And if you hate Kerry right now, and think he has something to do with the midterm elections, then you're being manipulated.
Here is a reasonable analysis:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20061102/cm_thenation/1135665
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Trinity1
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| P1234567890 wrote: | Here's my take on the whole Kerry thing: he's an idiot for giving Karl Rove's attack machine so much ammunition.
And if you hate Kerry right now, and think he has something to do with the midterm elections, then you're being manipulated.
Here is a reasonable analysis:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20061102/cm_thenation/1135665 |
JFK is the gift that keeps on giving.... 
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P1234567890
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: | Here's my take on the whole Kerry thing: he's an idiot for giving Karl Rove's attack machine so much ammunition.
And if you hate Kerry right now, and think he has something to do with the midterm elections, then you're being manipulated.
Here is a reasonable analysis:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20061102/cm_thenation/1135665 |
JFK is the gift that keeps on giving.... |
Yeah, and Kerry is the loser who keeps on hurting the Democratic cause...
All of the negative publicity on him is a total red herring. He isn't even running during the midterm elections! He has nothing to do with it. But for some reason, instead of attacking the real Democratic candidates, the Republicans are attacking him! And it's working!
That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the critical thinking skills of the American voters...
If anything, you guys should vote Democrat just because the Republicans assume that you're so stupid...
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theseldomscene
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| we are stupid!!!...2004 gas was at an all time high...in sept of that year the prices started to come down...by jan of 2005 (after the election)...they started to rise again and reached another all time high within several months...now...they have came back down(right before an election)...and the latest poll says bush's approval ratings are going up and people say one reason they think he is now doing a good job is because gas is coming back down...that is stupidity... |
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Trinity1
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | If anything, you guys should vote Democrat just because the Republicans assume that you're so stupid... |
No... you have that backwards P... Kerry thinks that you are stupid... that is what got him in trouble to begin with... he should have at least has the courtesy to keep his honest opinion to himself.
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Trinity1
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | we are stupid!!!...2004 gas was at an all time high...in sept of that year the prices started to come down...by jan of 2005 (after the election)...they started to rise again and reached another all time high within several months...now...they have came back down(right before an election)...and the latest poll says bush's approval ratings are going up and people say one reason they think he is now doing a good job is because gas is coming back down...that is stupidity... |
 TSS... who exactly does Bush control the world oil market again?
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theseldomscene
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are you really going to sit there and say that it is coincidence?...
now...
for the sake of honesty tri...show where i mentioned bush...please don't respond to me without doing so...as that would demonstrate dishonesty... you specifically asked about bush...where did i mention him?... |
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theseldomscene
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here it is ...let me help you...
| Quote: | | and the latest poll says bush's approval ratings are going up and people say one reason they think he is now doing a good job is because gas is coming back down |
now...what does that have to do with tss other than pointing out what a current pole said?...NOTHING!!!
but yes...the american gov can have a big impact on world oil prices tri...let me ask you(since i fulfilled my requirment of you for you)...
do you think it is coincidence?...and do you really believe the u.s. gov doesn't have influence on the world oil prices?.. |
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P1234567890
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: | | If anything, you guys should vote Democrat just because the Republicans assume that you're so stupid... |
No... you have that backwards P... Kerry thinks that you are stupid... that is what got him in trouble to begin with... he should have at least has the courtesy to keep his honest opinion to himself. |
So what's the big deal? Stephen Hawking also probably thinks you're stupid, but what does that have to do with the midterm elections?
But seriously, you should be insulted by the fact that the Republican media attack machine is harping on this Kerry thing. They honestly think that if they bang away on this drum, it's going to hurt the Democrats on midterm election day. This means that they have no respect for the voting public.
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RevJP
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P123... I don't think it is unreasonable for the american people to feel insulted for being called stupid. I understand that you want every bad thought, or hostile desire to be directed towards the republicans, but seriously, Kerry jacked himself up and he is paying for it. The whole issue really has nothing to do with any election. If he said it in a non-election year he would have recieved just as much flack.
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| RevJP wrote: | P123... I don't think it is unreasonable for the american people to feel insulted for being called stupid.
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I understand that you want every bad thought, or hostile desire to be directed towards the republicans, but seriously, Kerry jacked himself up and he is paying for it.
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Not quite. I wish it were so. Kerry jacked himself up and Democratic candidates that have nothing to do with Kerry and who probably totally disagree with what he said are paying the price...
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The whole issue really has nothing to do with any election. If he said it in a non-election year he would have recieved just as much flack. |
Sure, but the point is that the Republicans are using Kerry's stupidity to smear all of the Democratic candidates; I find this to be a dishonest tactic, don't you?
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RevJP
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| Quote: | | Sure, but the point is that the Republicans are using Kerry's stupidity to smear all of the Democratic candidates; I find this to be a dishonest tactic, don't you? |
I've not seen this. I've only seen candidates address Kerry and his comments specifically.
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