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Trinity1
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | The point is, the left (Mertha) says our Marines are War Criminals before an investigation is even conducted. |
The left is embodied entirely within a single person? K. |
Not really... Kerry comparing our soldiers today essentially as uneducated doofs. Earlier, their terrorists. Dick Durban (D-Illinois) equated our soldiers to Nazi's. That’s 3. There are more... but what is the point. Evidently the feelings of soldiers of how they are perceived from a party who wants leadership in congress ain't too important?
| Quote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | A senate minority leader accuses our soldiers of terrorizing Iraqi women and children in the middle of the night. |
Aren't they? |
Do YOU FFT believe our soldiers are terrorists? Do give me this dog and pony answer of perspective, no concrete definition of terrorism, et. al... do you think they are?
| Quote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | Al Jezeera airs videos of insurgents killing soldiers. |
For moral support of the followers and to disenhearten their enemies. K. |
So, if I'm a news service, I get to assist them in... um... disheartening their enemies and supporting their followers. Hey, that is a brilliant answer FFT.
| Quote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | Drawing moral equivalencies of what our soldiers are doing as that of what our enemies are doing… |
Torture is torture, Trinity. |
Exactly my point FFT. If you are unable to discern the difference between the two, then I suppose there really is not point in even trying to discuss this with you... 
| Quote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | perhaps what you are doing is not being patriotic as you have continued to affirm… |
Nothing is as patriotic as dissent. Blind partisanship and mindless obedience are not patriotism. |
Yada yada yada yada... holding the same views and using the same talking points is patriotic... –k- if you say so. 
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: Kerry on being intellectually superior... |
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HERE I'm trying to figure which Army he is talking about.
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‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Evidently the feelings of soldiers of how they are perceived from a party who wants leadership in congress ain't too important? |
Since when are things like this news? Parties tend to ignore or disparage the voting blocs they don't expect to vote for them anyway.
| Trinity1 wrote: | | Do YOU FFT believe our soldiers are terrorists? Do give me this dog and pony answer of perspective, no concrete definition of terrorism, et. al... do you think they are? |
Well, gee, Trinity. I'm pretty sure I already summed that up. If they're causing terror, they're terrorists.
| Trinity1 wrote: | | FFT wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | Drawing moral equivalencies of what our soldiers are doing as that of what our enemies are doing… |
Torture is torture, Trinity. |
Exactly my point FFT. If you are unable to discern the difference between the two, then I suppose there really is not point in even trying to discuss this with you... |
The ends don't justify the means. Just because it's us torturing doesn't make it somehow right or even okay.
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Trinity1
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| FFT wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | Do YOU FFT believe our soldiers are terrorists? Do give me this dog and pony answer of perspective, no concrete definition of terrorism, et. al... do you think they are? |
Well, gee, Trinity. I'm pretty sure I already summed that up. If they're causing terror, they're terrorists. |
So, the rights you enjoy are protected and provided by terrorists then? Is that what you are saying?
Perhaps you could provide us all with a lock solid definition of terror... or perhaps enlighten me precisely what our soldiers are doing that is terrorism.
| Quote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | FFT wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | Drawing moral equivalencies of what our soldiers are doing as that of what our enemies are doing… |
Torture is torture, Trinity. |
Exactly my point FFT. If you are unable to discern the difference between the two, then I suppose there really is not point in even trying to discuss this with you... |
The ends don't justify the means. Just because it's us torturing doesn't make it somehow right or even okay. |
So, in your eyes there is no difference between hacking someone's head off, sticking a curling iron up their read end, or burning their genitals with a cutting torch... then say... sleep deprivation.... making them cold... playing loud music?
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FFT
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | So, the rights you enjoy are protected and provided by terrorists then? Is that what you are saying? |
Do be a dear and explain how soldiers are protecting my rights?
| Trinity1 wrote: | | Perhaps you could provide us all with a lock solid definition of terror... or perhaps enlighten me precisely what our soldiers are doing that is terrorism. |
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
| Trinity1 wrote: | | So, in your eyes there is no difference between hacking someone's head off, sticking a curling iron up their read end, or burning their genitals with a cutting torch... then say... sleep deprivation.... making them cold... playing loud music? |
So you admit that we do torture, we just do it in a nicer way?  When you supposedly have the mindset that if you're guilty of one sin you're guilty of all of them?
Seriously?
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Do be a dear and explain how soldiers are protecting my rights? |
that is a fair question...and one that, if i were to bet, i'd say can't clearly be answered....in its relation to iraq...iraq has nothing to do with our rights...nor were they a threat to our freedom's...but the bush admin is...
yesterday i heard him babble...all he could say was basically...we're doing this to protect you...over and over he spouted that bull...
who will protect us from his lies and twistings of the truth?...who will protect us from his perversion and violent insanity?... |
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RevJP
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| Quote: | | who will protect us from his lies and twistings of the truth?...who will protect us from his perversion and violent insanity? |
That would be the voters, a class of which you are not a part of.
In my opinion; anyone who chooses not to involve him or herself in the proceses established by this country for the governance of this country has no right to complain about that governence. If you choose not to make your opinion count through the vote then you should just shut the hell up and be satisfied with what you get.
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Trinity1
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| FFT wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | So, the rights you enjoy are protected and provided by terrorists then? Is that what you are saying? |
Do be a dear and explain how soldiers are protecting my rights? |
FFT... that there college you are attending... they do have a history department... yea? In said history department there should be a few courses in American history detailing how the soldier fought and gained your rights in the revolutionary war, and it has been the soldier who has stood up and fought to defend your rights when they were in jeopardy.
Do you actually think for a second that if our country did not have an Army with soldiers that your rights would still be present today?  Please me tell you are not that naive'... that you have not been that brainwashed yet...
If it is not the soldier protecting your rights, perhaps you could be a dear and tell who exactly is… or does your right to call those who provide your right of free speech terrorists… is that something universal… that anyone in this ole world can do?
Do be that dear and explain that one.
| Quote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | Perhaps you could provide us all with a lock solid definition of terror... or perhaps enlighten me precisely what our soldiers are doing that is terrorism. |
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government. |
I see three here... which one is it?
| Quote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | So, in your eyes there is no difference between hacking someone's head off, sticking a curling iron up their read end, or burning their genitals with a cutting torch... then say... sleep deprivation.... making them cold... playing loud music? |
So you admit that we do torture, we just do it in a nicer way? When you supposedly have the mindset that if you're guilty of one sin you're guilty of all of them?
Seriously? |
Your the one applying moral equivalency here... not me. Answer the question!
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theseldomscene
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jp...i disagree...  ...and i won't shut up just because you can't handle the truth... |
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RevJP
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I didn't say you had to shut up, I simply expressed my opinion on the idea of laying back and crying about something which you have the ability to change and choose not to.
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: |
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fine then damnit in the next blasted election i will march out and vote...against my conscience against what i believe...i will vote...for who i don't know...for what i have no idea...but if you think it is all that important for someone to cast a ballot then great...i will, i affirm right now and lie not that in the election of 2008 i will vote...
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RevJP
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Don't do it for me, do it because you don't like the way things are going and it is in your power to effect the changes you want to see. It is all about doing something about something you don't like.
Kinda like painting a house really. If you don't like the color of your house do you sit in the livingroom complaining about the color, or do you buy paint and repaint the house? of course the ability to vote is equitable to having the money to buy the paint and the time to do the work, so there are little or no excuses for not doing that which you have the ability to do.
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theseldomscene
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| theseldomscene wrote: | fine then (edit  ) in the next blasted election i will march out and vote...: |
i tried to pray but this comment keeps popping up inmy mind over and over...and conviction follows...there is no way i can vote...sorry for lying in my anger...but my conscience just won't allow me to vote for a man to be my leader...GOD bless...
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | fine then damnit in the next blasted election i will march out and vote...against my conscience against what i believe...i will vote...for who i don't know...for what i have no idea...but if you think it is all that important for someone to cast a ballot then great...i will, i affirm right now and lie not that in the election of 2008 i will vote... |
Could I make a few suggestions...
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‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| NO!!!!... |
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