Tents of Judah

MoJo · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:35 am Post subject: Tents of Judah

Hi tss, I was a little confused myself, but it just required starting a new subject. Very Happy

So here we are. Big breath. This is an ambitious study. I'm pretty sure I understand parts of it, but the further in I go, it gets trickier understanding name changes. So, right up front, not everything I say is written in cement and is subject to change if shown to be scripturally in error. I'll also be writing with the idea that others will be reading, so it's for general consumption and may cover things you already know.

Starting with "the tents of Judah" I went to the concordance on the word tents. The root word is "ohel" and is translated as dwelling or habitation with the connotation of nomad, iow, wanderer. To me this suggests lack of permanent dwelling place as opposed to a house. And indeed Jacob says, I am a pilgrim.

This root word is in the names Aholah (her own tent) and Aholibah (woman of the tent or the tent is in her)

Eze 23:2 Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:
Eze 23:3 And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.
Eze 23:4 And the names of them [were] Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus [were] their names; Samaria [is] Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.

After Solomon, the twelve tribes were amalgamated under two names; Israel and Judah; ten tribes and one tribe, with one name missing; Benjamin. This in itself was an indepth study I did a couple of years back, but mention is made in Ezekial of this third sister, named Sodom and the youngest.

Speaking to Jerusalem; Eze 16:46 And thine elder sister [is] Samaria, she and her daughters that dwell at thy left hand: and thy younger sister, that dwelleth at thy right hand, [is] Sodom and her daughters.

Suffice to say that through my study it was concluded that Benjamin came under the name Judah. If you want to look into this look to this scripture;

Eze 16:56 For thy sister Sodom was not mentioned by thy mouth in the day of thy pride,

When the lots were divided amongst the tribes, Jerusalem was split north and south between Judah and Benjamin. Another great study concerning the four directions. (Joshua)

So by the time of Rehoboam, the ten tribes become Samaria which become Assyria and the two tribes become Judah. It should be mentioned here though that I think geneology starts to fade out as many from different tribes came over to Judah. I see this as a trend toward becoming one without regard to geneology. If you take this a step further, it would appear that all being one in Christ might be called Judah, but of this I'm not sure yet.

Judah is Zion and her daughter is Jerusalem.

Psa 78:67 Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim:
Psa 78:68 But chose the tribe of Judah, the mount Zion which he loved.

Here, once again we see the split. Although the name Ephraim originally applied to all of Israel as Joseph being named the firstborn, at the split, the name Ephraim is applied to the ten tribes.

That's basically a quick background. Now, the prophesies concerning Judah are found in Isaiah to a great extent as well as the other books.

I'll stop there for now if you have anything to add or want me to elaborate.

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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

MoJo · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject:

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

yes it is a good distinction...i have caught that before...good work...also before we get to dep...let's note the tribes are different in the rev....

we have the tribe of...

judah rueben, gad, aser, nephthalim, manasses, simoen, levi, issachar, zabulon, joseph, benjamin.

manasseh was joseph's first born...where is dan(judge)?... wasn't mana. and ephr. given an inheritance with the twelve tribes when they came out of egypt?...i think so if i remember right..but ephr. and dan are not n the listed in rev...where twelve thousand are chosen out of the twelve tribes and sealed by GOD(rev7)...

MoJo · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject:

yes, the tribes are slightly different.

I'm going to give away the answer to the question up in the debate section. Wink

Gen 48:5 And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were born unto thee in the land of Egypt before I came unto thee into Egypt, [are] mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine.

Note that Jacob adopts Ephraim and Mannaseh as sons on equal footing with his other sons. I account Ephraim as being the same as Joseph as there is no tribe of Joseph. So that brings the count to thirteen tribes. Joseph, as first-born was to receive double and this accounts for two tribes which sprang from him. Only later were the Levites removed from being a tribe, bringing the count back down to twelve. The priests inheritance was throughout all the tribes.

So in Rev, I account Joseph as being the same as Ephraim. Now, Dan...... very interesting that his name means judging. The jury is still out on this one for me. He is named among the tribes in Ezekial, but why not in Rev is the question??????

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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

they that swear by the sin of samaria, and say, "thy god, o dan liveth; and, the manner of beersheba(well of oath/seven) liveth, even they shall fall and never rise up again. (amos something...i think)

"dan to beersheba"..used to denote all of israel in 1 and 2 sam, 1 kings, and a few other places...

dan and ephr.(the two tribes not mentioned in the rev7) are mentioned together in jer. 4...in judgement...

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

ha...joshua gave beersheba to the tribe of judah(praise YAHWEH)...(which was the southern most tribe me thinks???)....and though dan started out around philistine country along the southern coast...i believe the moved north because they could not conquer the first region....which would make saying, from dan to beersheba, the same as saying all of israel from north to south...(another side note)

MoJo · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject:

Yep, you got er Pontiac. Wink

Now Dan settled right at the base of Mt Hermon, which is Sion. And Beersheba is the wilderness that Hagar wandered in with Ishmael. And the similitude given by Paul in Gal is that Hagar and Ishmael are symbolic of Mt Sinai and the law. And Ishmael had twelve sons.

We start to see how the similitudes concerning names starts to become tricky. Wink

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

amen...this is great but i must sleep now...more tomorrow LORD willing...i am really enjoying this...and have already learned some things....and only believe it will get better...and yes...trickier Wink

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MoJo · Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:31 am Post subject:

I'm still thinking here..... It requires a lot of thinking. LOL!

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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

hey while your thinkinga side note...read...is 16,17,18 with ezk 17-18...(lebenon=white or white mountain,... moab=of the father...)

like is 16 to ezk 18...and is 17 and 18 to ezk 17...

MoJo · Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:19 am Post subject:

Hi there stranger. Betcha thought I forgot. Wink

I'm keeping this in the back of mind whenever I study, but it seems I'm led to go through the process of eliminating who it can't be first. LOL! Sorta like going through the back door.

Anyway, I was reading something today and came up with some interesting points. See what you think and let me know if you you see soundness in it or if I'm forgetting something.

the subject is basically Ezek 21 & 22, prophecies against Jerusalem and Israel.

Eze 22:24 Son of man, say unto her, Thou [art] the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation.

Just an aside; the land not rained on;

Zec 14:17 And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of [all] the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

and specifically, Egypt was to have no rain

Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Lots of dancing to figure out the name changing that's going on. LOL! Very Happy

I started to follow up on what was the day of indignation because in this day Israel or at least Jerusalem is **not** cleansed (healed) or washed by the water of the word.

This would certainly describe what Jesus said here

Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; **lest at any time** they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Who was Jesus speaking of;

Mat 13:2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
Mat 13:3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, ...........

Mat 13:10 ¶ And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Indignation and the method;

Psa 78:49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels [among them].

Isa 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, [even] the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

Isa 30:27 Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning [with] his anger, and the burden [thereof is] heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:

This next got me thinking

Mal 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Mal 1:4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD **hath indignation for ever.**

That led to this;

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

So, so far it looks like Edom (Esau) = wickedness, those who have the mark of the beast. But, back to Ezek

Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed [difference] between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.
Eze 22:27 Her princes in the midst thereof [are] like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, [and] to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.
Eze 22:28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered [morter], seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken.

Three named here. Makes me think of this;

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

mouth of the dragon = priest
mouth of the beast = rulers, princes
mouth of the false prophet = prophets.

weapons of the indignation???

There's so much here and this is just a brief outline. Trouble is, trying to stop somewhere and recoup. It's a little disjointed for now.

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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

wow...i will get back to you soon...that is good stuff and man,...GOD has us in tune in so many ways...kinda wierd Laughing

...(no rain on the land)...it is strange i have been studying rain...it freaks me out whne you do that...i will post more tomorrow night, maybe even tonight(LORD willing)...let me work some of this out....please let's just build on this for now before we move forward...i am glad you did not forget about me here...that was great stuff and much needed...GOD bless you...

MoJo · Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject:

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

back at you sissy...i am still working on this...please be patient...as you know...i am slow.. Very Happy

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