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Intransient Not So Newbie
Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 5
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: Matthew 5 |
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I wasn't sure where to put this, but please feel free to move it if you need to. I'm not trying to step on toes here.
I found this verse and I'd like to know the meaning behind Matthew 5: 31-32.
My version offers an "out" to the adultery clause by stating "unless the marriage is unlawful"....does anyone know what constitutes an "unlawful" marriage? Are they speaking about the laws of men or the laws of God?
Is there somewhere else in the Bible I could look for clarification on lawful and unlawful marriages?
Thanks for your help. |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 6365 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Easton's Bible Dictionary
Fornication
in every form of it was sternly condemned by the Mosaic law ( Lev 21:9; 19:29; Deu 22:20,21,23-29; 23:18; Exd 22:16). ( See ADULTERY T0000109.)
But this word is more frequently used in a symbolical than in its ordinary sense. It frequently means a forsaking of God or a following after idols ( Isa 1:2; Jer 2:20; Eze 16; Hsa 1:2; 2:1-5; Jer 3:8,9).
Peace
Lone _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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RevJP Moderator

Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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First off, the whole issue of divorce is widely debated, most 'by the letter' believers take those scriptures for exactly what they say.
Christ however, gave us a different view of the law. It is my opinion that scriptures concerning divorce are very cultural in their origination, but spiritually applicable in our day and time.
Does divorce and remarriage make you an adulteror? Why did you get divorced? Was he unloving? unfaithful? abusive? How does that qualify as a lawful marriage?
Marriage between a man and a woman is compared to Christ and His bride (the Church). Man is supposed to be to his wife as Christ was and is to the church; loving, faithful, supportive, responsive, patient, kind, etc. etc, etc.
If your husband cheated on you, he violated his oath as your husband, if he beat you (physically or emotionally) he violated his oath as your husband. In my mind such violation constitutes an unlawful marriage.
Ephesians 5:22-33 AMP Wives, be subject (be submissive and adapt yourselves) to your own husbands as [a service] to the Lord. (23) For the husband is head of the wife as Christ is the Head of the church, Himself the Savior of [His] body. (24) As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands. (25) Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her, (26) So that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the Word, (27) That He might present the church to Himself in glorious splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such things [that she might be holy and faultless]. (28) Even so husbands should love their wives as [being in a sense] their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself. (29) For no man ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and carefully protects and cherishes it, as Christ does the church, (30) Because we are members (parts) of His body. (31) For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. [Gen. 2:24.] (32) This mystery is very great, but I speak concerning [the relation of] Christ and the church. (33) However, let each man of you [without exception] love his wife as [being in a sense] his very own self; and let the wife see that she respects and reverences her husband [that she notices him, regards him, honors him, prefers him, venerates, and esteems him; and that she defers to him, praises him, and loves and admires him exceedingly]. [I Pet. 3:2.] _________________ JP's Mind - my blog
Psa 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man. |
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Zathrus King Kong

Joined: 28 Aug 2002 Posts: 2274 Location: WI USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Matthew 5 |
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| Intransient wrote: | | My version offers an "out" to the adultery clause by stating "unless the marriage is unlawful". | That's an interesting rendering of that passage. What version is it that that's found in? _________________ Establishing the law by receiving the righteousness which is by faith, without the deeds of the law!
2 Cor 3 "11For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."
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Evee Moderator

Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 678
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:54 am Post subject: |
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That's an interesting take on it, RevJP. A lot of people say that divorce is only ok in the case of adultery. That every other kind of reason for divorce is a sin & therefore, you are committing adultery by remarrying. _________________ Don't get caught in the trap of thinking you know everything God has to say b/c you've read the Bible. Remember, God is STILL speaking. And surprisingly, through people we DON'T expect. |
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RevJP Moderator

Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: |
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You're right Evee, a lot of people do say that. A lot of people also ignore what Jesus told us about adultery, and murder, etc.
Does a man who looks upon another woman with lust in his heart committ adultery? Jesus says he does. So just how literal - how strict to the letter are we supposed to view the idea of marriage and divorce, scripturally? _________________ JP's Mind - my blog
Psa 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man. |
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Thunderone Tadpole
Joined: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 24
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject: Marriage |
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If you want to take it literally, Read the verse again.
It says nothing about a women divorcing a man, but a man divorcing a woman.
Jesus only addressed a man divrocing his wife, and the only acceptable reason was if the woman committed adultery and if another marries her commits adultery.
But Paul addresses the issue of marriage.
According to the scriptures, If a man or a woman divorces for any reason other than adultery. They are to not remarry or have sexual relations with another. It is sin to do otherwise.
Society today has it acceptable to divorce and remarry, live together, or just date and have sex.
Jesus said Moses gave a certificate of Divorce because of the nature of man, but it was not always so.
God created marriage, and Jesus clarified the rules by which a man and a women are to marry and the one rule allowed by God for divorce. _________________ Thunderone
Everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the scriptures we might have hope.
Romans 15:4 |
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zadok17 Show Poodle
Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 253
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Marriage |
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| Thunderone wrote: | If you want to take it literally, Read the verse again.
It says nothing about a women divorcing a man, but a man divorcing a woman.
Jesus only addressed a man divrocing his wife, and the only acceptable reason was if the woman committed adultery and if another marries her commits adultery.
But Paul addresses the issue of marriage.
According to the scriptures, If a man or a woman divorces for any reason other than adultery. They are to not remarry or have sexual relations with another. It is sin to do otherwise.
Society today has it acceptable to divorce and remarry, live together, or just date and have sex.
Jesus said Moses gave a certificate of Divorce because of the nature of man, but it was not always so.
God created marriage, and Jesus clarified the rules by which a man and a women are to marry and the one rule allowed by God for divorce. | hHowever, if a man or woman divorces for reasons other than adultery and they ask God to forgive them for the divorce and they marry again is this wrong? Now I know some of you seasoned Christians should know the answer to this question. |
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Luvnlife Lion King

Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1271 Location: US
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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zadok17 wrote: | Quote: | | hHowever, if a man or woman divorces for reasons other than adultery and they ask God to forgive them for the divorce and they marry again is this wrong? Now I know some of you seasoned Christians should know the answer to this question. |
I'm not sure what you are getting at... it seems to me that it is human to try and justify our mistakes. We are constantly looking for the "loophole" but I think the bible is pretty clear on this.
Yes, I also think God is loving and forgiving as he has shown us over and over through out history but God expects us when we commit to marriage to give it our all. I know there are valid reasons sometimes why marriages don't work but it should be the exception. If we were more careful about this very important life altering choice there would be less divorce. There is nothing wrong with being picky when it comes to choosing a spouse as marriage is sacred. If you choose poorly, you will suffer the consequences and your children will suffer the consequences.
On the flip side, I think in many respects we are lucky that God is our judge though instead of our peers. I think God does look at circumstances and may judge us less harshly if we left a relationship for a very good cause (like alcoholism, continued misuse of legal or illegal drugs, abuse to a spouse and/or children etc...). You have to look out for your children and yourself. God tells us how to behave (both men and women) within the bonds of marriage. Although marriage is sacred, not all marriages are good. If you have given it your all and your spouse is unwilling to make changes and corrections and is behaving in a way that is harmful to his or her family then you may not have a choice except to leave the marriage.
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atoz Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 4189
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Matthew 5 |
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| Intransient wrote: | I wasn't sure where to put this, but please feel free to move it if you need to. I'm not trying to step on toes here.
I found this verse and I'd like to know the meaning behind Matthew 5: 31-32.
My version offers an "out" to the adultery clause by stating "unless the marriage is unlawful"....does anyone know what constitutes an "unlawful" marriage? Are they speaking about the laws of men or the laws of God?
Is there somewhere else in the Bible I could look for clarification on lawful and unlawful marriages?
Thanks for your help. |
All marriages are supposed to be based on Unconditional Love:Love makes the marriage valid. See Matthew 22:36-40, espec verse 40.
Therefore, any Hate in any marriage makes that marriage unlawful and void to the extent of that Hate. A marriage is only lawful and valid to the extent of Love in the marriage.
So too all divorce in Hate is invalid which makes the divorcees eligible as adulterers if and when they remarry; and all divorce in Love is valid which makes the divorcees ready for other marriages. God divorced Israel in Love and so was eligible to remarry. Jeremiah 3:8..
What God hates in divorce as in marriage is any Hatred in it. malachi 2:16
So what matthew 5 means is:
31It hath been said,
Whosoever shall put away his wife,
let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32But I say unto you,
That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of THE fornication OF HATRED, causeth her to commit adultery:
and whosoever shall IN HATE OF OTHERS marry her that is divorced IN HATE committeth adultery.
When 2 married partners hate each other, that is the only reason for divorce since their Hatred makes the marriage invalid and as if it never happened in the first place:
1 Corin 7
13And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15But if the unbelieving depart IN HATE, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under THE bondage OF MARRIAGE in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
in Love of marriage and divorce,
atoz |
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