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P1234567890 Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 8322 Location: Victoria, Canada
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Your first post made it sound as if you hadn't read it and that you didn't want to read it because you were taking a stand against it. _________________ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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RevJP Moderator

Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| P123 wrote: | | Your first post made it sound as if you hadn't read it and that you didn't want to read it because you were taking a stand against it. |
Actually, nothing in my first post even remotely intimated at that. I very clearly asked a question which I notice you did not ever really answer. I asked:
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What could I possibly learn from the satanic bible that would reveal any truth about satan that God has not already given me? | What you said was LeVay wrote about human nature, but you never stated what he could tell us about it that Scirpture has not already done. The closest you came to even remotely supporting your assertion was this:
| Quote: | Yes, but their vices are your enemy, and it is those that LaVey can help you to understand better.
Maybe, but LaVey goes into more detail. | From there you leaped into assumption.
I disagree with you though, how is 'more detail' going to give us anything more than the truth provided by scripture?
Furthermore, how is LeVay's opinion of the 'nature of man' going to provide anything more reliable or truthful than the truth of scripture, and as I asked before; my psychology studies ? Is his opinion more learned and valid than scholarship regarding human nature? _________________ JP's Mind - my blog
Psa 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man. |
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P1234567890 Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 8322 Location: Victoria, Canada
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Furthermore, how is LeVay's opinion of the 'nature of man' going to provide anything more reliable or truthful than the truth of scripture, and as I asked before; my psychology studies ? |
Well, to answer this question, I'd first have to know exactly what your psychology studies entailed...
Also, I'm just itching to ask you about your studies of the occult... Why were you interested in the occult, and what did you learn? _________________ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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Siam Bear

Joined: 04 Oct 2006 Posts: 671 Location: middle of oz
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: |
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I was talking to some death metal friends at work the other day about God/Satan and the fact that I had been on the church of Satan site. It made a lot of sense looking at the structure of the Christian church over the past 2000 years. It says that the Devil was God and that the Christian church took all that was sacred and twisted it to enslave the masses. I thought it was kinda cool how the mention the cannabilism atributed to the last supper. I said if this was true than Satan could be a God of love to them as much as what jesus is to Christian. They didn't like being loving.
By the way, I don't believe in any outside entity, I believe in the: I Am. Christ. Lord.
Lotsa love Siam. |
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RevJP Moderator

Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| P123 wrote: | | Well, to answer this question, I'd first have to know exactly what your psychology studies entailed... | No you don't. This is evasion. Any two or three begining Psychology courses will teach you more about the nature of man than LeVay could ever do.
But to answer your question: I have the equivelant of an AS in academic studies in Psychology, and probably closer to a BS if one included field study, practical application, and proprietary education, towards a degree.
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Also, I'm just itching to ask you about your studies of the occult... Why were you interested in the occult, and what did you learn? | I learned that most of the 'occult' that people engage in is a bunch of c.r.a.p. It is cool for books and movies, but not much more than that. _________________ JP's Mind - my blog
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admin Beloved Admin

Joined: 28 Sep 2000 Posts: 1813 Location: Macau, China
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | I learned that most of the 'occult' that people engage in is a bunch of c.r.a.p. It is cool for books and movies, but not much more than that. |
I agree whole heartedly with RevJP. And understand that I have spent a decent chunk of time on astral projection, remote viewing, chakras, etc. I always thought I was doing it wrong......til I realized it was hooey. Lots of info at www.randi.org on this stuff. _________________ Cybermonsters (Most Beloved Admin)
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RevJP Moderator

Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:07 am Post subject: |
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I still got my shiney colored rocks and various crystals, they don't do much but they are pretty. I'm pretty sure I have my tarot cards, ouji board, runes, and other various items stored away somewhere... _________________ JP's Mind - my blog
Psa 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man. |
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FFT Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 6337 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| admin wrote: | | I always thought I was doing it wrong | This tends to be the excuse for a lot of silly beliefs. _________________ When Science was in its crib, Religion tried to strangle it. When Science was in its infancy, Religion tried to abuse it. Now that Science is grown up, Religion wants to be in its good graces.
Theology is philosophy/ethics for people who already know what conclusion they want to come to. |
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admin Beloved Admin

Joined: 28 Sep 2000 Posts: 1813 Location: Macau, China
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:19 am Post subject: |
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True. What ticks me a little, is I was really trying to do these things for real, trying to accomplish them. And did so because people were teaching me, and convinced THEY had done it, and they wanted to guide me. Many of them really believed they had, but some were intentionally misguiding me - it was tied in with their job and their income.
And in time it became tied to my job and income too. The difference is, when I DID realize that the bulk (read "all") of it was magical thinking, I walked away. At a great short term cost to myself. But the long term gain far surpasses that short term loss.
Meanwhile, as far as I know the others are still bringing in new people, teaching them - each student will have their own trajectory of seeing through it. I think it took me longer than most, but I have seen many spend their entire lives pursuing this stuff. Again, rock solid info at www.randi.org to refute the bulk of new age pyschobabble.
It was a real shock to me the day I realized all of this, and perhaps the most beautiful day of my life when I look back on it. _________________ Cybermonsters (Most Beloved Admin)
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Siam Bear

Joined: 04 Oct 2006 Posts: 671 Location: middle of oz
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| admin wrote: | | RevJP wrote: | | I learned that most of the 'occult' that people engage in is a bunch of c.r.a.p. It is cool for books and movies, but not much more than that. |
I agree whole heartedly with RevJP. And understand that I have spent a decent chunk of time on astral projection, remote viewing, chakras, etc. I always thought I was doing it wrong......til I realized it was hooey. Lots of info at www.randi.org on this stuff. |
I gave up on the bible and God at an early age thinking the junk they where teaching me at school was just that, junk. It wasn't till I was twenty eight and met a self confessed white witch who turned me towards spirituality that I accepted a Form of divine back into my life. It was through research and searching, sorting through the crap and using my own head that I came full circle back to the bible. What I love about the writting of the bible is its age and the interest (both good and bad) that it has created. I also like seeing links between biblical thought and so called new-age thought. This brings me to your mention of chakar's. Chakra's are, as most now know, energy centers that run up the length of the spine to the top of the head, there are seven of these energy vortex's. Now to the bible: Rev:1-12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lamp stands,13 And in the midst of the seven lampstands one like the Son of Man; clothed with a garment down to his feet and girded about the chest with a golden band.
I believe that the vision depicted in the book of revelation was how man looks in the realm of spirit and that this is a representation of the chakra's.
Also, though the chakra's have been touted by the "new-agers" it is as old as biblical thought (5000 yrs plus) and is part of the Buddest yogic belief.
He who has eye's to see and ears to listen.
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theseldomscene Banned

Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | I still got my shiney colored rocks and various crystals, they don't do much but they are pretty. I'm pretty sure I have my tarot cards, ouji board, runes, and other various items stored away somewhere... |
far out man...you sure went the hard route...and expensive...
where i am from if a fellow decides he wants to talk to a demon, he just eats some jimson seeds...
never tried it myself but those i know that have say you're guaranteed to see atleast one demon out of the crowd of whatever that you see over the next several hours...
my second cousin on my daddy's side, chub...for real...that was his name, when he was in his mid twenties...(he has since died)...man...6' 10" close to five hundred pounds......worked in heavy labor...ate a half dozen or two at a sitting(they say he had been on them a little strong for a couple of weeks prior...)...anyway...
he thought his dad was the devil...beat him pretty bad...
they say over half the sheriff's dept was called in to try and get him and he sent some to the hospital...back then the only things they could do were either beat you down or go lethel...they didn't won't to kill him but could not stop him...so they finally just vacated the house he was in and let him go and waited for him to fall asleep...the house had no walls left inside...then he stripped off his clothes and ran out to the barn naked and there he stayed till he passed out...
fun...
and on top of all that adventure...from what i understand...it is the demon halucination "the seeds" seem to specialize in...plus...(here's the best part)...
they are free...grows wild around all the barns around there...just look at all the money you could have saved... ... |
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RevJP Moderator

Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Had myself some peyote days as well, looking for the spirit guide which is the legacy of my ancestors (Cherokee and Choctaw)...
Sweated a lot and had some pretty cool little side trips but that is about it.
Something I wrote a while back:
Conjuring
Spirits of lost hope depart,
demons of fate's cruel hand,
leave me.
Spectors of anquish and pain
I cast thee from my mind.
Wearily he speaks the words,
the incantation of despair,
longing for the days
of glories remembered.
Pinning for the merriment of yesterday.
He draws the symbols of conjuring,
casting the spell of hope,
praying to his elemental gods
to heal a broken soul,
a tainted spirit.
He lights the candles of color,
as he whispers the incantation.
Lighting the inscence, casting the runes.
Begging the powers to come,
and make him whole once more.
He lays upon the alter built,
and stares to the midnight sky.
Sacrificial knife to wrist,
as blood bathes the ground,
body, with soul, soon die.
A Prayer
Gods of fire,
ignite my soul,
for my passion,
is but sodden ash.
Gods of wind,
breathe life into my heart,
for it gasps for air,
as it slowly suffocates.
Gods of water,
wash the pain from me,
pain of love given away,
but so selfishly desired.
Gods of earth,
ground my spirit,
bring my being back to reality,
and let me face the world.
Hear my prayer gods of power,
hear my plea and allow me,
your servant of the universe,
to live again despite the pain,
despite the sorrow, sadness and tears,
despite the hypocritic will,
to put upon my face the smile,
that my soul will never again feel.
Touch me my gods, heal me. _________________ JP's Mind - my blog
Psa 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man. |
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theseldomscene Banned

Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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far out... ... |
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Nobby Board - Admin

Joined: 16 Sep 2002 Posts: 5301 Location: Missouri
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Very, very good Rev!  _________________ Much Love Nobby
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 6365 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | to put upon my face the smile,
that my soul will never again feel. |
I hope your soul smiles Rev...
Big Hugs
Lone _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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