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RevJP
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 Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 7:17 am Post subject: Explaination? |
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Forgive me for not reading word for word the entire anthology on unclean foods.
For those of us who are becoming overwhelmed by this thread, would you care to make a succinct statement on what exactly you are purporting Phineas?
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Phinehas
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2003 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Explaination? |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Forgive me for not reading word for word the entire anthology on unclean foods. |
I had no idea you find this subject so boring.
| RevJP wrote: | | For those of us who are becoming overwhelmed by this thread, would you care to make a succinct statement on what exactly you are purporting Phineas? |
So I'm to believe that you've been in consultation with other members here regarding the lengthiness or depth of this thread and you all find it overwhelming? Mm-hmm.
Well, I'll give it a go.
o Neither Jesus nor any of the apostles taught against Torah.
o Nowhere in the Bible is it written that perfect obedience to Torah was a means of salvation, although this was an idea that Jesus and the apostles taught against because it is a false doctrine that had become a tenet of the Pharisees.
o The new covenant replaces the old covenant, but this does not mean that the OT law is no longer relevant to new covenant believers.
o The sin sacrifices are done away with by Jesus and the Temple laws are put away until a future time when the Temple gets rebuilt.
I have already provided copious passages of scripture to support these beliefs of mine. I will not re-post those addresses because (1) I have already posted them numerous times in the preceding three pages and (2) they likely wouldn't be looked up anyway.
Here's an opinion of mine. If you want to engage me and/or others in this thread but don't feel it's necessary to read and consider what I and others have already posted, that strikes me as inconsiderate and quite an imposition. I didn't say this is what you will do, only if you do it, and I said it is my opinion. If you feel otherwise, hey, it's a free country.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2003 9:35 am Post subject: Thanks |
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Your reply was sufficient to act as a thesis statement, which will be of great assistance in helping to unravel the jumbled discussion.
I never said I was bored with anything, thank you of trying to start an argument about nothing. Neither did I say I consulted with anyone on this site, I assumed, wrongly or rightly, that I was not the only one here that was getting overwhelmed by the 'copious passages', and the erratic and often extraneous nature of many of the posts.
I have a question for you which you did not address - what is the purpose of following Levitcal Law? what is its relevance if salvation is not at issue? Is it just to give us something to do?
Finally, all I did was ask for succinct statement regarding your POV and the purpose of your post. I apologize if that was an imposition.
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Here is a paper I put together for a friend who had a question about following the written law (Sadducees), the oral law (Pharisees) and the law of the Spirit.
Paul (who wrote a large portion of the NT) continually informs us that we are not under the Law (found in the first 5 books of the Old Testament-known as the Pentateuch) but rather, Christians are led by God's Holy Spirit. Below is refering the Levitical Law (Law of Moses)
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, He said to them, "Behold, days are coming, says the Lord, and I will make an end on the house of Israel and on the house of Judah; a new covenant shall be,
Heb 8:9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt," because they did not continue in My covenant, and I did not regard them, says the Lord.
Heb 9:9 which [was] a symbol for the present time, according to which both gifts and sacrifices are offered, [which] are not being able, in regard to conscience, to make perfect the one performing the sacred service,
Heb 9:10 [since they are concerned] only with food and drinks and various baptisms [or, ceremonial washings] and fleshly ordinances [or, regulations for the body] being imposed until a time of reformation.
Heb 9:11 But Christ having appeared [as] High Priest of the good [things] coming, through the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with human hands (that is, not of this creation),
Heb 9:12 and not through [the] blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, entered in once for all time into the Holiest [fig., the very presence of God], having secured eternal redemption.
It may be helpful in asking the question of following the Laws of Mosesd as set forth in the old covanent what exactly a covanent is. It is a contract.
If I contract to paint your house and I paint your house I am no longer under an obligation to paint your house. I have fulfilled our contract.
The birth, life, death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ and the work of the Cross fulfilled the old covanent and we are now in a new covanent with God. This does not make void the old covanent. It simply means it has been fulfilled and that we are no longer under its
obligations.
Some may take this to say the we no longer follow the 10 commandments but I believe the Bible speaks for itself on this point. We are to put off the old self of lust, greed, envy, etc and put on the new self. Those traits and qualities are all within the context of the commandments.
I am certain our Loving God is asking us to live in the Spirit and not in the law. Remember, the Bible must be taken as a whole story of redemption and not broken apart for us to find the meanings we pour into it.
Mosaic Law, Ten Commandments
Ex. 20:1-17 >>> The Ten Commandments were given to the Israelites at Sinai.
2 Ch. 31:3; Neh. 8:2, 3, 8, 14, 18; Ps 19:7>>> God gave Israel a single law which included the Ten Commandments.
Mal. 4:4>>> Israel was commanded to obey the Law of Moses; the law included the Ten Commandments.
Rom. 10:4>>> Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Christ is the end of the law because he nailed it to the cross (cf. Col. 2:11-14).
Jesus came to fulfill the law (Matt. 5:17). Since Jesus fulfilled the law, we can be saved in Christ (cf. Acts 4:12; Rom. 3:24; 6:3; Gal. 3:27; 2 Tim. 2:1, 10), walking according to the Spirit (Rom. 8:1-4).
Rom. 3:20; Gal. 2:16>>> No one is justified by the works of the law.
Gal. 3:10; 5:2-4>>> Someone keeping one part of the law must keep the whole law. Someone keeping the Ten Commandments must keep the entire Mosaic Law.
Gal. 5:4>>> Anyone attempting to be justified by law has fallen from grace.
Gal. 3:24-25>>> The law was a tutor. Since faith has come, we are no longer under the tutor (i.e., we are no longer under (the law).
2 Cor. 3:7-11>>> The commandments that were written on stone (i.e., the Ten Commandments) brought death. Today we must obey the epistle of Christ which is written on our hearts (2 Cor. 3:3).
Heb. 7:12>>> The law was changed. We no longer live under the Ten Commandments or any other part of the Mosaic Law. Jesus could not be our High Priest until God changed the law (Heb. 7:12-14; 8:4).
Heb. 10:8-10>>> Christ came to earth to take away the first covenant (law) and establish the second covenant (law).
Again, let me stress that the commandments we are given are a spirit in which we live as Christians. Not “being bound” by the actual list of Mosaic commandments does not negate us from acting according to the Word of God.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2003 7:55 am Post subject: The real function of the law... |
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So according to Romans 3:20, the real function of the law was to make men be conscious of sin
AMP Rom 3:20 ~ For no person will be justified - made righteous, aquitted and judged acceptable - in His sight by observing the works prescribed by the Law. For [the real function of] the Law is to make men recognize and be conscious of sin [not mere perception, but an acquaintence with sin which works toward repentence, fait and hol character].
So Paul tells us that the purpose of the Law was to acquaint us with sin and build in us a holy character and as an impetus to repent. In Romans 3 and 4 Paul discusses the Gentiles and Jews, gentiles who have found salvation through faith as opposed to Jews who have thusfar failed to fulfill the law, that by relying on their works they have stumbled over the Stumbling Stone. He goes on to say that he prays they may be saved because they have enthusiasm and zeal for God, but not the correct knowledge. This knowledge is expressed in Romans 10:4
AMP Rom 10:4 ~ For Christ is the end of the Law - the limit at which it ceases to be, for the Law leads up to Him Who is the fulfillment of its types, and in Him the purpose which it was designed to accomplish is fulfilled. - That is, the purpose of the Law is fulfilled in Him - as the means of righteousness (right relationship to God) for everyone who trust in and adheres to and relies on Him.
I think I have the gist of it. However, there is the question regarding the benefit or detriment to following the Law. For Christians, that is. Does adherence to the old Law serve a purpose? What does it gain us? How does it promote our purpose as Christians? Is there harm in adhering to the Law? does it promote self-righteousness? (righteousness by biblical definition means a right relationship to God. So self-righteousness would exclude God as the focus of the relationship and place it on us). So do we ignore the Law? Engage it sparingly - although that is wrong according to Paul as well....
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Ron
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2003 9:49 am Post subject: |
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I think the simplest terms are these:
living in the law = focus on self
living in the Spirit = focus on God
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Phinehas
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2003 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Thanks |
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| RevJP wrote: | | ...in helping to unravel the jumbled discussion. |
I don't find it jumbled at all, but then I've been following it closely from its start, too.
| RevJP wrote: | | I never said I was bored with anything, thank you of trying to start an argument about nothing. |
You're right, bored is wrong. I should have said tiresome. Are you really going to try to convince that the tone of your brief post on May 4 in this thread was not intended to belittle me or my beliefs? I'm not trying to start a fight, but rather to get some things out in the open instead of relying on backhanded insults and innuendo (e.g., "Forgive me" and "word for word" and "the entire anthology" and "jumbled discussion"). Your words were carefully chosen and conveyed your thoughts perfectly.
| RevJP wrote: | | For those of us who are becoming overwhelmed by this thread,... |
| RevJP wrote: | | Neither did I say I consulted with anyone on this site, I assumed, wrongly or rightly, that I was not the only one here that was getting overwhelmed... |
You know what people say about assuming, so why assume at all? In fact, you didn't assume anything. You wanted to create the impression in any readers of this thread that my posts make no sense, thus discrediting me. If you think something I post makes no sense, then call me on it. Call me on every instance point by point and I'll do my best to address it or correct it. I expend great effort in making sure that my posts cover each topic I address as thoroughly as I know how. Perhaps it would be helpful to both of us if you would highlight certain statements or paragraphs I've written and raise specific questions instead of asking for broad unsupported statements that will only take this thread back to square one. You might also try answering some of the questions I pose to you. I went back through this entire thread to get the quotes below and I noticed several places where you ignored my questions to you, yet you seem to feel it's pretty important that I address the questions you pose to me.
| RevJP wrote: | | by the 'copious passages', and the erratic and often extraneous nature of many of the posts. |
As there are so many of these erratic posts, it would surely be a simple matter for you to locate one and quote it for me so that I may address it.
| RevJP wrote: | | I have a question for you which you did not address - what is the purpose of following Levitcal Law? what is its relevance if salvation is not at issue? Is it just to give us something to do? |
This is what gets me. Perhaps you should read word for word the entire anthology on clean and unclean food because I've covered this so extensively I'm amazed that you could have missed it. At the risk of making another erratic post, I'll quote myself on the subject.
March 18
The whole purpose of the Law, including the sacrificial system, was to point us to Jesus (Gal. 3:24).
March 20
I do not seek to observe Torah with an expectation of being able to obey it perfectly or to earn my way to Heaven as a result.
March 21
Mt. 19:17 reads, "'Why do you ask me about what is good?' Jesus replied. 'There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.'"
Is Jesus referring to eternal life here? He cannot be because, as all of us here know, salvation is not a matter of works. So what does He mean? I think we can find the answer if we look at several of those verses I quoted in an above post, two of which I'll quote here:
Lev. 18:5 "Keep my decrees and laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them. I am YHWH."
Dt. 4:40 "Keep his decrees and commands, which I am giving you today, so that it may go well with you and your children after you and that you may live long in the land YHWH your God gives you for all time."
Now let's look at a couple of NT verses:
Ro. 10:5 "Moses describes in this way the righteousness that is by the law: 'The man who does these thing will live by them.'"
Gal 3:12 "The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, 'The man who does these things will live by them.'"
In both of these verses Paul is quoting Lev. 18:5, but most Christians read these without understanding the promise given regarding following the Law and get a negative connotation to the phrase, "live by them" as though it connotes some form of bondage. The Hebrew word used in Lev. 18:5 for "life" is causative, implying revival, having life, saving life (Strong's, Heb. #2425).
April 22
The law is good, as the author of Romans so clearly states, but that law is indeed useless when it comes to our salvation.
April 22
As I see it, if we love God and love our neighbor as we love ourselves, we would naturally follow God's law. Regarding animals that are clean or unclean for food, however, Mark 12:29-31 doesn't give us a direction. I believe, for this one, we need to understand God's love for us. Afterall, that's why He gave us the Law in the first place.
April 28
There's no need to interpret or guess God's purpose in giving us His instruction. He spells it out plainly at Lev. 18:5, Dt. 32:47, Ps. 119:93,105,124,152, Isa. 40:8, Ro. 10:5, Gal. 3:12. He created us. He cretaed the world we live in. He loves and cares about us. Therefore, He gives us instructions to lead us to happiness and peace in this world.
April 28
Yes, the earlier covenant was not perfect, but that was by design to lead us to Messiah by showing us that we are unable to make it without Him.
April 28
I have to believe that, while the earlier covenant or agreement has been supplanted by a better one, we have to ask ourselves what the new covenant involves. Yes, it is a covenant of grace, but Paul tells us in Romans (3:31, 6:1, 6:15) that this is not a license to sin. John tells us above what sin is--transgression of the law. In the passage you quoted above, we are told that in this new covenant the law would be written on our hearts. So, while under this new covenant we have grace, the law still is our guide to a blessed life. Our righteousness is no longer dependent on following the law (Dt. 6:25), however, as we now have Messiah's righteousness imputed to us by faith. This in no way abrogates our responsibility to obey God's laws. The basis of our righteousness has been transferred from our works to Messiah's work on the cross. Whereas before we were slaves to the law, we now are free to follow the Lord's instructions because it is no longer external but written on our hearts and our salvation is assured.
April 29
The only promise given in scripture regarding obedience to the Law is that things would go well with those who do, and this same promise is repeated in the NT at Ro. 10:5 and Gal. 3:12.
April 29
If you say that the Laws of God are not gone completely, then I'm guessing that you are able to tell which laws are gone (and why) and which laws still remain (and why). I also question your use of the word "requires." I would disagree that God requires our perfection under the Law because we are no longer "under" the Law but under grace. Unless you mean that God requires us to obey the Law for some purpose other than salvation.
April 29
Correct me if I am misunderstanding this statement. What I hear you saying here is that Jesus' righteousness is imputed to us [by faith]. So the requirement [for salvation] actually is faith and not obedience to the Law. If this is what you are saying, then we are in agreement that one's salvation is not based on observance of the Law but on faith in Messiah.
May 4
He gave [the Law] to us because He loves us and wants to see us live long healthy happy lives in this world He created.
| RevJP wrote: | | Finally, all I did was ask for succinct statement regarding your POV and the purpose of your post. I apologize if that was an imposition. |
You know very well that your asking me for a succinct statement regarding my position is no imposition. What is an imposition is asking me questions that you could answer on your own if you would just take the time to read this thread from its oh so tiresome beginning and try looking up a few supporting scripture references. Now, if that is an imposition on you, then maybe you're not as interested in this discussion as you once thought.
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Nobby
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2003 11:08 am Post subject: Asking Forgiveness is easy. |
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Phine & RevJP
I have read this thread from begining to end! It took awhile yesterday & some today,but I finaly read it. It started out as enjoyable reading & ended up as an argument.
You both are brothers in Christ. (I know brothers like to argue  )
I know you disagree with one another. If I looked awhile I probably could disagree with you both Then we could go at it 3 ways.
Disagree, but don't let it divide!
You see this dosen't look good on Christians! 
Your friend & Bro. in Christ.
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Dshadna
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2003 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: Asking Forgiveness is easy. |
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| Nobby wrote: | Phine & RevJP
I have read this thread from begining to end! It took awhile yesterday & some today,but I finaly read it. It started out as enjoyable reading & ended up as an argument.
You both are brothers in Christ. (I know brothers like to argue )
I know you disagree with one another. If I looked awhile I probably could disagree with you both Then we could go at it 3 ways.
Disagree, but don't let it divide!
You see this dosen't look good on Christians!
Your friend & Bro. in Christ.
Nobby |
Nobby, I too read the entire thread from beginning to end today, the second time I've done so.
I don't think the thread is boring in the least, however, the statement was made that perhaps jumbled was a better statement, and I'm sorry, I've got to agree with that.
I appreciate that Phineas and Ron, you both brought the main points of the thread to one page, where it's a little easier to compare and read what you're saying.
To bring my own view to the topic, I will tell you what I've learned through the years.
I've attended or spoken at great lengths with both members and Ministers from many varied religions, including Assembley of God, Church of God, Nazarene, 7th day adventist, and many more. I find that in almost all of those religions save the seventh day adventist and perhaps one or two others, that they either believe or teach that the New Testament and Christ's Sacrafice for us, "did away with the Old Laws". Now, this may not be true of every church in a particular denomination, but it seemed to be the norm for most of the one's I became associated with. As to the seventh day adventist, the person I knew from there, freely admitted that even they don't follow every single Old Testament Law, in particular about the *blended fabrics*, and that it was something they were addressing in their particular fellowship.
I will tell you I do eat meat...though not shellfish and fish or the like, simply because I don't like them. When I lived for 4 months in the home of a seventh day adventist, as she was the only one willing to take me in at that time, I did not eat pork *at her house*. That was out of deference to her and her beliefs. When she would leave for a week or so, she would tell me that it was ok for me to do so then, as I was to consider her house my home also. I had no problems with the status quo on that particualr topic, because there were other places I could go, if I wanted to eat pork, with out offending her or her beliefs.
This woman knew my denomination and I her's. We had some interesting discussions about our beliefs, but it was a given that we both felt strongly about our particular choices, and so we didn't try to *convert* one another. We simply took time to share openly and honestly why we believed this or that, and we remain friends to this day.
My own view on this is that I believe that the New Testament, and the story of Paul, does indeed include that the statements against eating unclean food in the Old Testament are now null and void, as is the one of wearing no blended material, and many others, if not all. I will simply wait for the Lord's direction on this while I continue to pray and learn His Word and His Plan for my life.
By the way, wanted to add one more thing. I think both of you have done an admirable job of bringing your points across, and substantiating them. Please continue the good work, and I look forward to your views and comments. |
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Dshadna
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I found some links which I found interesting, and thought I'd share them.
http://www.gnmagazine.org/booklets/bk26/health.html Viewpoint on Clean/Unclean Food
http://www.gnmagazine.org/booklets/bk26/ More about Clean/Unclean Foods.
http://www.sacredname.org/popularcf.htm Also includes list of what were believed to be Biblically Clean Foods.
http://www.ucg.org/booklets/CU/ Links to different "booklets" about the topic of Clean/Unclean
http://www.pointsoftruth.com/foodlaw.html Food Laws
http://www.ucgstp.org/lit/booklets/clean/feature.html Clean and Unclean Foods.
This link also had a particular verse, that I found interesting.
| Quote: | | As Hebrews 7:12 puts it: "For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law." The law-specifically the law concerning who could be a priest (verses 13-14)-was changed, not rendered invalid. |
http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/peruncln.html Another Study on Clean/Unclean
*note of interest from this site.
| Quote: | What about in our modern time? Do the meat restrictions matter to God any more? For our answer, let us consider God's attitude on the subject as found in a prophecy about the latter day period preceding the return of Jesus Christ (or "the coming of the Lord" in Old Testament parlance.) Isaiah 66:15-16 introduces a prophecy about the time when :
"the Lord will come with fire...for by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord will be many."
This directly parallels Revelation 19:11-21's prophecy that the return of Jesus Christ will involve a bloody war in which Jesus' heavenly army slays huge numbers of human armies who resist his rule. Isaiah's prophecy concludes in verses 22-23 with millennial language about "a new heavens and a new earth," and "all flesh" on earth coming to worship God. After this prophecy is introduced in verses 15-16, notice what is mentioned in verse 17 as one of humanity's sins in the latter days which provokes God to anger.
"As for those...who eat the flesh of pigs, revolting things and rats: their deeds and thoughts will perish together, declares Yahweh."
How many Christians realize that prophecy reveals that one of the sins which provokes God's wrath in the latter days is mankind's eating of pigs and Other unclean meats? The answer is very few, indeed. |
I found that statment of particular interest, as I'd never actually put the two together in any way. Pardon the pun, but *food for thought* 
These are just a few I found, and thought perhaps pertinent to the topic at hand.
This was at the end of one other site that I visited
| Quote: | | Now notice Matthew 12:36-37 -"And I say to you, that every careless word that men shall speak, they shall render account for it in the day of judgment. For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned." |
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cristine
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2003 5:31 pm Post subject: CLEAN AND UNCLEAN FOOD |
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May I join your discussion on CLEAN AND UNCLEAN FOOD. This is what I read in the Holy Bible:
1. God is speaking in parables (Ezek. 20:49), so was Jesus Christ prophesied also to speak in parables and dark sayings of old (Psa. 78:2). Truly so, this is what is written:
Mark 4:34 "But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples."
2. As demonstrated, people cannot just give meaning to what God/Jesus says as in, "Destroy this temple and in three days I raise it up." Those who jumped to conclusion found themselves on the wrong Way. The Disciples "waited for the demonstration" of the meaning and clearly revealed that the "temple refers to the body of Jesus" (John 2:19-22).
3. Why don't we apply this basic truth/principle on clean and unclean food? I was surprised when, by "demonstration," the "food" refers to PEOPLE! This I read in an article I consider an eye-opener. If interested, take a look at the article with the following introduction:
**  How could Jesus Christ say, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Matt. 5:17
** And at the same time, "…Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? 17Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? 18But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:" Matt. 15:16
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Dshadna
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That was a very interesting article...and makes a lot of sense to me. Yes, Jesus spoke in parables often, and it would not be hard to think that perhaps in speaking of clean/unclean food that yet again he may have been.
Thanks for the link to the article. I'm making it one of my favorties, so that I can take some more time and really study what was said there. |
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Ron
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Welcome Christine.
What an interesting article! I too have saved this address. I am curious on the other things from this site.
I have never thought of these things in the symbolic context. Shame on me! I know full well how much of God's Word is written this way. Please jump in more often. Your post was truly thought-provoking!
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LarrySax
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 8:33 pm Post subject: Keep reading... |
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Hippo,
I would encourage you to keep reading and see how God's revelation on this subject matter is clarified by His own Word. You appear to be earnest in taking God at His Word. Keep reading and understand who He is writing to and what He is saying. As you read the rest of the Bible you will learn more on the subject. I would challenge you to not form a final conclusion yet, wait until you have read all of the Bible.
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Ron
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: Keep reading... |
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| LarrySax wrote: | Hippo,
I would encourage you to keep reading and see how God's revelation on this subject matter is clarified by His own Word. You appear to be earnest in taking God at His Word. Keep reading and understand who He is writing to and what He is saying. As you read the rest of the Bible you will learn more on the subject. I would challenge you to not form a final conclusion yet, wait until you have read all of the Bible.
In Christ, |
Very sound advise. I would also add to read several versions of the Bible.
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Yours in Christ with much love,
Ron
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