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IronSharpensIron
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What is the 'definition of a terrorist'? does owning a box cutter make you a terrorist-how about a cell phone?
How can a person be found guilty and never shown the evidence used against them?
How can a moral, christian government condone torture?
Read about the effort to return to fascism ....here...
And tell me your thoughts... 
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FFT
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| Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:05 am Post subject: |
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What is the "definition of a communist?"
What is the "definition of a witch?"
Our society thrives on fear and suspicion. This is nothing new. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| a terrorist is a freedom fighter who is not on our side....a freedom fighter is a terrorist who is on our side... |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | a terrorist is a freedom fighter who is not on our side....a freedom fighter is a terrorist who is on our side... |
And precisely... what is a definition of 'our side' here?
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | what is a definition of 'our side' here? |
um... whichever side you are on?
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: |
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that was going to be my answer....  |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Quote: | | what is a definition of 'our side' here? |
um... whichever side you are on? |
So, from what I glean... TSS beleives that those in Iraq who are strapping bombs onto their bodies and walking into crowed markets and blowing themselves, women, children, and the elderly up are 'freedom fighters'? Those who park cars and trucks in these same markets or outside of Mosques and blow them killing everyone and anyone who just happens to be in the area are fighting for freedom? Are freedom fighters? Those who have kidnapped and filmed the cutting off of their victim’s head and put it on the internet are fighting for whose freedom again?
Is this right? These folks get the same status or enjoy the same moral equivalency as say... those who participated in the French Resistance? Harriet Tubman and the Underground Railroad? The Jews at Massada? I find it hard to believe that killing your own people and innocent civilians wholesale has anything to do with fighting for freedom… it sounds like tyranny to me… and those who practice it sound an awful lot like terrorists. Not freedom fighters.
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‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:53 am Post subject: |
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no sir...but they get a better status and have a moral supremacy to any who blow up house with women and children in them from a plane...do you honestly think the womene and children who heard u.s. bombs coming were not terrorized before their death?...you have proven my case for me...thank you..
you are a terrorist tri...and so is any who has a part in this war...with bush being cheif of the murderous scoundrels...
you act like they are so bad for doing what the u.s. army did and has been doing...
is it because they braver than you tri...is that why you want to invade and kill...to make yourself look couragous?....
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Trinity1
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Now I'm a coward?
A Cowardly Nazi?
Wow... 
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| good job...recognizing you have a problem is the first step in recovery...tri... |
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | So, from what I glean... TSS beleives that those in Iraq who are strapping bombs onto their bodies and walking into crowed markets and blowing themselves, women, children, and the elderly up are 'freedom fighters'? Those who park cars and trucks in these same markets or outside of Mosques and blow them killing everyone and anyone who just happens to be in the area are fighting for freedom? Are freedom fighters? Those who have kidnapped and filmed the cutting off of their victim’s head and put it on the internet are fighting for whose freedom again?
Is this right? These folks get the same status or enjoy the same moral equivalency as say... those who participated in the French Resistance? Harriet Tubman and the Underground Railroad? The Jews at Massada? I find it hard to believe that killing your own people and innocent civilians wholesale has anything to do with fighting for freedom… it sounds like tyranny to me… and those who practice it sound an awful lot like terrorists. Not freedom fighters. |
It's a matter of perspective — something you clearly lack the capacity for beyond the one you already hold.
To us, they are terrorists. To them and their people, they are freedom fighters. You've picked glittering examples, but there are many others that are much more apt for comparison. Remember all those revolutions you were supposed to learn about in history classes? Ever hear of a guillotine? Remember learning about how our side trumped up the "Boston Massacre?" Or the illegal act of the Boston Tea Party which were later celebrated?
And just to make something perfectly clear, because with you I know I have to:
I do not support the actions of these "freedom fighters." I don't agree that the way they're doing things is the best way. But don't you ****ing dare get on a high horse about it. |
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P1234567890
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The only objective definition is that a terrorist is someone who uses the tactic called terrorism.
The U.S. army manual says something along the lines that terrorism is the use of force and threat of force against civilian populations.
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Trinity1
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| FFT wrote: | | To us, they are terrorists. To them and their people, they are freedom fighters. |
Do you actually think the majority of Iraqi's consider these folks 'their people'... or freedom fighters? The majority of these fighters aren't from Iraq to begin with... their from Saudi Arabia... Iran... Syria... Yemen... Pakistan... these are not 'their people'... they are nothing more than Islamic extreemists bent on enforcing their will and their narrow interpretation of Islam on the Iraqi people. For the average Iraqi... they just can't win. With Saddam... millions were killed and totured... now... with him gone... every other extreemist group in the world thinks they can step right in and impose their will by indiscriminately blowing people up.
| Quote: | | And just to make something perfectly clear, because with you I know I have to: I do not support the actions of these "freedom fighters." I don't agree that the way they're doing things is the best way. But don't you ****ing dare get on a high horse about it |
The thought never even entered my mind... You seem a little paranoid about this...
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P1234567890
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| Trinity1 wrote: |
Do you actually think the majority of Iraqi's consider these folks 'their people'... or freedom fighters? The majority of these fighters aren't from Iraq to begin with... their from Saudi Arabia... Iran... Syria... Yemen... Pakistan... these are not 'their people'... they are nothing more than Islamic extreemists bent on enforcing their will and their narrow interpretation of Islam on the Iraqi people. For the average Iraqi... they just can't win. With Saddam... millions were killed and totured... now... with him gone... every other extreemist group in the world thinks they can step right in and impose their will by indiscriminately blowing people up.
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Iraq mmight be a bad example. In Lebanon, the Hezbollah terrorists are certainly viewed as freedom fighters. In Gaza and the West Bank, Hamas terrorists are certainly viewed as freedom fighters.
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RevJP
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FFT had a valid point, up to a point. It is a matter of perspective.
Freedom fighter, terrorist, they are the same thing depending on who you are, not if they are 'your people' or not. To the guy with the freeking bomb strapped to his chest, he is a freedom fighter, to the people in the shopping mall around him, he is a terrorist.
Populations at large view 'freedom fighters' as terrorists, because those 'fighters' are fighting a specific cause which usually does not reflect the view of the general populace, and they use tactics which definitely does not reflect the approval of the society at large.
The only reply here that I have seen that has nearly one ounce of intelligence in its simplicity, completeness, and lack of emotional and 'paritsan' stupidity, was from P123...:
| Quote: | The only objective definition is that a terrorist is someone who uses the tactic called terrorism.
The U.S. army manual says something along the lines that terrorism is the use of force and threat of force against civilian populations. |
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