CAN ANYONE = = KEEP THE 10-COMMANDMENTS?

christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

those who live under the law are subject to the law and its punishment
we are not chained like we were before jesus, we are free from the law and its punishment which i death.

Although we are suppost to do as Jesus would, and he awlay loved his neighbor and he only worshiped The one and true living God, he would never steal, nor would he murder, He obeyed his parents, etc.
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Silver Surfer · Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 5:03 am Post subject:

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Reaper · Hamster Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 86

The question was asked,

Can anyone keep all of the 10-Commandments?

Yes someone did, but only he

Who came closest? And does close even count?

Close does not count

The law as you remember was but one law (not ten), and to break one of its parts is to be guilty of all. It promised life everlasting to all who kept it, but none of Adam's sons or daughters ever kept it, and all die. It is a perfect law. All its requirements are holy, just and good, and it requires the full measure of a perfect man's ability to keep it. God knew, but the Jew did not know, that when he--the Jew, agreed to that covenant he signed his own death warrant; and it was said unto them, "Ye cannot serve the Lord." He will not forgive sin. But they accepted the terms, and witnessed against themselves. (Josh 26:19- 22)

"The law made nothing perfect," and was disannulled on account of its weakness or un-profitableness in this respect (Heb 7:18,19) because of man's weakness and inability. God could not fit a law down to their condition. He could give no other than a perfect law. He could not look upon sin with any degree of allowance, and his law could not therefore give life to the being who failed of obedience in one point; he was guilty of all (James 2:10).

"For if there could have been a law given that could have given life, verily righteousness (and hence life) should have been by the law" (Gal 3:21). But as we have stated, there could no such law be given, and there was "none righteous, no not one" (Psalm 14:1-3; Rom 3:10), none up to the standard of perfection required by the law; hence not approved by it as worthy of life everlasting.

"Wherefore then serves the law? It was added because of transgressions (for how long?), till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made" (Gal 3:19). By that time it had served its purpose. It was a ministration of death written in stones (2 Cor 3:6- 17). The Jews were placed under the "letter" of it, and the world has witnessed its enforcement upon them.

The common impression is that the "letter" of the law is much more lenient than the spirit of it, but from our last reference (in Corinthians) the Apostle Paul affirms the contrary. "The letter kills." How glad we (the Church) are that we are not under the letter of it (as the Jew was), for we could no more keep it than could the Jew. "For by the deeds of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight." None but our Lord ever could claim life under the law. He was of another life germ than the Adamic, though born of a woman. Made under the law, he magnified the law and made it honorable by showing that it was good and right, and that a perfect being can keep it and delight therein.
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Silver Surfer · Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject:

Reaper · Hamster Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 86

The question was asked, can anyone keep all of the 10-Commandments? Our reply was yes, and that, that someone was Christ.

Now Silver Surfer states that not only has Christ accomplished this feat, but that we too are able to do the same.

In Reply, this statement is made despite the fact that it has been proven conclusively through God’s typical people that none of them no matter how faithful or how zealous they were, were able to keep the law, because it is the full measure of the perfect man's ability, and none of them could measure up to the perfect man (Eph 4:13). A perfect man could do no more than keep that law, and no imperfect man could do enough to keep that law.

The Christian's responsibility has been transferred from the Father to our Lord Jesus. Hence he is no longer under Jehovah's Law given at Sinai, but now "under law to Christ." (1 Cor 9:21)

And what is the “law of Christ?

Israel under the Law of God was judged worthy or unworthy by their actual deeds. Under this arrangement none was found worthy because none could keep God’s perfect standard. But under the law of Christ, the Christian is judged by his heart intention—by his faith and not by his works. (Rom 3:20,28; Gal 5:1,13)

The Decalogue is styled the Law of Moses because, as the Apostle declares, "The Law came by Moses, but grace and truth by Jesus Christ." The Jew who did not receive Christ did not receive the grace and truth, and the Christian who has received Christ and his grace and truth is "not under the Law [Covenant] but under grace." (Rom 6:14)

The Law of Christ is a very different one from that of the ten commandments, and yet there is an agreement between them, because, though Moses' Law was given to the house of servants and the Law of Christ was given to the house of sons, both emanated from the Father and both are based upon his eternal law of righteousness. No wonder, then, that there is a harmony between them.

The Law of Christ is positive and is called a new commandment. It does not attempt to say what we shall not do, as did Moses' Law, but taking the positive form tells us what all of Christ's followers shall do, must do, in order to be acceptable to him. His law is that we shall love God and "love one another as I have loved you." Under this divine arrangement with the house of sons he that loves not is not of God--"if any man have not the Spirit of Christ [the spirit of love] he is none of his," and if he have the spirit of love for God and consequently for his fellowmen he would not think of doing things forbidden the house of servants in the Decalogue.

What was proper enough as a prohibition to the natural man would be wholly inappropriate to the members of the New Creation, the Body of Christ, who have been begotten of the Holy Spirit of love. What an insult it would be to such to command them not to blaspheme God's name, not to worship other gods, not to kill, not to steal! Would God steal? would God murder? And would any who have been begotten of his Spirit have the wish or desire to do these things? Surely not! Hence the prohibitions contained in the Ten Commandments are not for the New Creation and were never given to them. As the Apostle declares, "The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death" i.e. the Mosaic Law. (Rom 8:2)

The Jews could not keep the Law, could not be justified by it. Do we then of the New Creation keep the still higher law of love? And if so, how? The Scriptures answer,

"The righteousness of the Law [its requirements, full obedience] is fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit"--who are striving to the best of our ability to be in harmony with the very essence of the divine will, Love. Not that we can walk up to the spirit of the Law, but that when we walk after it with our best endeavors God counts it unto us as though we walked up to its requirements--the merit of Christ our Lord and Head being imputed to and compensating for all our unwilling imperfections.

Your servant, brother John
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mtimber · Lion King Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1216

What about this text?

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit

Jesus kept the Law perfectly, does anyone refute this?

We cannot keep the Law.

But He did and when we receive Him into our hearts, He enables us to be obedient.

So yes, we can keep the Law, if we are abiding in Christ.

But IF we sin (Jesus never takes this possibility away or this choice), we have an advocate in our High Priest and we ask for forgiveness and Jesus restores us again to Him.

The flesh cannot keep the Law, it never has been able to.

But Christ can!

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me...

Mark Smile

mtimber · Lion King Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1216

It is when you look to your own works that you see that keeping the Law is impossible.

Why do you insist on being works dependant?

You accuse SDA's of being works focused, but we are the only real faith focused church (those in the church that have entered into the truth of Righteousnes by Faith that is).

Why?

Because WE BELIEVE that victory over sin is possible when we are abiding in Christ...

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

We do NOT limit God, why do you all limit God and then accuse us of lacking in faith?

We are the visible remnant and God is calling His people out of the system of Babylon right now.

He is coming back soon folks...

Will you be ready?

Will you be able to stand in His presence?

Are you obedient to Him?

You will lose your salvation on this Sabbath issue if you are grieving the Spirit on this point.

Try to listen to what we are saying.

Please.

Mark

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

The final outcome of the OT, being replaced with the NT, is the perfect example of how difficult it was to keep the laws of Moses.

John the Baptist and Jesus Christ himself are the harbingers of the OT being displaced with the NT.

Out with the old, on with the new, each sanctioned of God.

thunder
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Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

Hi Thunder, First of all, the Old Testament was Not replaced by the New Testament, the New Testament is the continuation of the Old. The reason Jesus was sent to us is because of the sins of the Isrealites as told to us in the Old Testament.

Secondly, why do you make the ten commandments such a big deal.

How many of you have killed someone lately?
How many of you are theives?
I know some of you have lied, so have I, some of you have committed adultery, hopefully not, some of you have wanted what your neighbors had, Do you love God, I know you do, perhaps not as God wants you to, but I know you love Him, as do I.

So what does Jesus tell us, that we should try to obey the commandments so why is it so hard to tell the truth, why is it so hard to remain loyal to your spouse, why can't you be thankful for what you have, but if you can't then faith in Jesus will forgive you of these sins, but I don't think the forgiveness will come to you if you repeat the same sins over and over again.

Jesus was an Orthodox Jew and in the first century this was a very hard way to live. Look at Mary, if Joseph hadn't had that dream, He could have had Mary stoned to death, and they weren't even married yet. To break one of the commandments in the first century for a Jew meant severe punishment, even death. If you love God, if you respect who and what Jesus means and how and why He died, then perhaps you should think more on keeping the commandments.

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