Tribulation????

Nobby · Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2002 3:34 pm Post subject: Tribulation????

Hello Friends,
Will we as Christians, go thru all, or any part of the 7 years of "Tribulation"??

Will the "Rapture" occure, before, after, or
during the "Tribulation??
All of you should have some very good answers!
Ain't I naughty!!

Have fun & God Bless,
Nobby

Zathrus · Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2002 4:01 pm Post subject: Tribulation????

There are some good discussions on this topic in the following threads: http://bible-discussion.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000029.html
http://bible-discussion.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000044.html

My answers to your two questions: No and no.

admin · Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2002 12:56 am Post subject: Tribulation????

The Tribulation...is that like a jacuzzi?

Tiger75 · Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2002 2:06 am Post subject: Tribulation????

The church has been going through 'tribulation' since its conception!

Assuming you mena 'Great Tribulation' I know this is a bit of a cop out but we should live in hope of pre-trib but prepare for post-trib.

God's people in all times have never had an 'easy journey' home but always a safe arrival! God's power has always been manifested to the wicked in the visible 'preservation' of His children during their 'past judgements'.

Why should the consumation be any different?

matt · Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:08 pm Post subject: Tribulation????

Definitely before the Tribulation. The church is mentioned up to the first 3 chapters of Revelation. The church isn't mentioned again through the rest of the Tribulation until around I *think* the 19th chapter, when it's all over. Sorry, I don't have my Bible in front of me to back up my claims. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

But, definitely before the Tribulation.

Tiger75 · Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:10 am Post subject: Tribulation????

quote:
Originally posted by matt:
Definitely before the Tribulation. The church is mentioned up to the first 3 chapters of Revelation. The church isn't mentioned again through the rest of the Tribulation until around I *think* the 19th chapter, when it's all over. Sorry, I don't have my Bible in front of me to back up my claims. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

But, definitely before the Tribulation.

Sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with this idea. Apart from the concept of where do we stop when we say which bits of the Bible are and are not relevant to the Church
there are people in Rev 12 who 'keep the testimony of Jesus' which to me is 'The Church'.

matt · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 11:24 pm Post subject: Tribulation????

Nonono! Please don't misunderstand me, Tiger

I hope I don't sound like I'm picking what I want to believe what I want to believe.

Revelation chapters 2 and 3 discuss the 7 churches. Chapters 4 through 19 discuss God's wrath upon this earth. Interesting to note, the word "church" is mentioned nineteen times from chapters 1 - 3. From chapters 4 - 19, the church isn't mentioned even once.

I personally believe the church isn't mentioned because we won't be here on earth.

Anyway, like I said, I truly hope I didn't sound like I was picking and choosing what I want to believe.

I'm sure many of you have heard of Dr. David Jeremiah. PLEASE take some time to listen to the following selected download at: http://www.oneplace.com/Ministries/Turning_Point/Archives.asp

More specifically, listen to the shows that aired on November 14th, 15th, and 18th, particularly the 14th.

Utmost respect,

Matt

edit: I just realized that this sounds eerily familiar to my first post! *smacks himself in the forehead*

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Tiger75 · Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2002 1:45 am Post subject: Tribulation????

Hi Matt

Sorry if my post sounded like it had a bit of 'venom' in it but it wasn't supposed to I'd just been posting 'Iris' and was a tad infuriated.

I still think there is evidence to show the Church is there in Rev 4 - 18 but this will always be an agree to disagree subject.

Have a look in the other 'Tribulation' post if you haven't already.

Your Brother in Christ

Tiger

ps are you the Matt who was in the Creation Board with Evoskeptic was it? If so you did a good job. I was going to join you but I have no big scientific knowledge. I Just believe "In the beginning God created ..." as it says. I have thought it interesting though that if God created and put the scientific laws in place to give order and can therefore 'transcend' them whenever He wants - Science is a poor means to try and 'measure' Him. (A pointless exercise even.)

Nobby · Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2002 1:33 pm Post subject: Tribulation????

Hello my Friends,
I'll take a shot at it!!
The time of the catching away of the true Church is a matter of upmost importance to believers. Some teach that the Church will be caught up before the tribulation; others that believers will go thru the tribulation.
Some misunderstandings concerning the Lord's
return and related events will be cleared up
if we state that, correctly speaking, the so-called rapture is not the Second Coming at all.
The Second Coming is the visible,local, bodily appearing of Christ in the clouds of heaven as He returns to this earth to the Mount of Olives whence He asended (Acts 1:11,
Matthew 24:30, Zechariah 14:4). The rapture
is the summons by Christ of living & dead believers into His presence in heaven.
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).
The rapture must preceed the Second Coming.

Between the rapture and the revelation of Christ from heaven there is an interval of surely three and one-half years, if not seven, during which the Church is judged for rewards, the marriage supper of the Lamb takes place in heaven, and upon earth Antichrist rules and the Great Tribulation runs its course. If the the Lord is to come with His saints, as pictured in
Revlation 19:8, 14, He must have gathered them unto Himself, and since we are to rule and reign with Him on earth
(Rev. 2:26,27; 3:21),our place during the millennial age must have been assigned to us previous to the revelation.
Pre-tribulation rapture is certainly logical and reasonable!
God Bless,

Nobby

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matt · Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2002 4:03 pm Post subject: Tribulation????

Thanks, Tiger! I'm glad someone was watching!