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Trinity1
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| FFT wrote: | And on the door to every basketball court:
"The Theory of Gravity is only a theory. It is not accepted by all scientists." |
Um... err... hmmmm.... HELLO FFT? You know better Mister!  |
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FFT
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| Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | FFT wrote: | And on the door to every basketball court:
"The Theory of Gravity is only a theory. It is not accepted by all scientists." |
Um... err... hmmmm.... HELLO FFT? You know better Mister! |
The law of gravity and the theory of gravity are two different things. Way to go!
Not that there's actually just one theory of gravity. The modern "theory of gravity" is part of the theory of general relativity. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | FFT wrote: | And on the door to every basketball court:
"The Theory of Gravity is only a theory. It is not accepted by all scientists." |
Um... err... hmmmm.... HELLO FFT? You know better Mister! |
The law of gravity and the theory of gravity are two different things. Way to go!
Not that there's actually just one theory of gravity. The modern "theory of gravity" is part of the theory of general relativity. |
Which 'theory' would apply then to the basketball court at the gym? |
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FFT
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Well, without knowing exactly what causes gravity, how do you know a kid isn't going to jump up and never come back down?
The law of gravity is simply "there is gravity" as well as basically a list of its properties as we know them. It says nothing about why gravity exists.
Similarly, the law of evolution is "evolution happens." The theory of evolution is an explanation of how it has happened in the past. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Well, without knowing exactly what causes gravity, how do you know a kid isn't going to jump up and never come back down? |
Um... perhaps based on personal experience, all observations from the preceeding 6000 years of recorded human history... but of course, according to you, that is an argument from 'ignorance'.  |
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FFT
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Just like the repeated success of doctors have proven the germ theory disease, and just like the repeated success of biologists have proven the theory of evolution.
And holy crap, man, don't forget that in your world-view there's a single being in charge of the constants of the universe. If He wants to change the way gravity works, are you going to stop him?
How do you even know the Bible says the same thing it did yesterday? He could have changed it and changed everyone to think it was always the new way.
"But He loves us!"
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | and just like the repeated success of biologists have proven the theory of evolution. |
Yea.. sure. How do you prove something that is seemingly unfalsifiable in the first place? You-betcha.
| Quote: | | How do you even know the Bible says the same thing it did yesterday? He could have changed it and changed everyone to think it was always the new way. |
I guess I don't... but then again, you couldn't test that excuse for an example... could you?
I'm not sure where this is going, or why you are so 'bent' on this FFT. The fact of gravity is a law. I throw something up... it comes down. I throw too hard, it takes longer to come down. I mount solid fuel rockets on it... it still obeys the law as the thrust is overcoming the... law.
| Quote: | | "But He loves us!" |
Yes indeed He does. You included!  |
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FFT
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| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | FFT wrote: | | and just like the repeated success of biologists have proven the theory of evolution. |
Yea.. sure. How do you prove something that is seemingly unfalsifiable in the first place? You-betcha. |
By testing it. By a lack of falsifications to a falsifiable theory.
The theory of evolution is falsifiable, by the way. Most of the examples creationists call for to "prove" evolution would disprove it, like a human being born from a monkey. Or a human giving birth to a monkey.
| Trinity1 wrote: | | The fact of gravity is a law. |
Yes.
What does that have to do with what I was saying?
The fact of evolution is a law, too.
The law of gravity is "there is gravity." The law of evolution is "evolution occurs." The theories behind each are a lot more detailed. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | FFT wrote: | | and just like the repeated success of biologists have proven the theory of evolution. |
Yea.. sure. How do you prove something that is seemingly unfalsifiable in the first place? You-betcha.
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Atavisms are pretty good evidence AGAINST creation and FOR evolution in the sense that Darwin's ideas perfectly explain them, but literal Biblical creationism falls flat on its face when trying to explain them.
I have yet to see anything even remotely resembling a coherent argument that makes literal Biblical creationism consistent with atavisms. |
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Trinity1
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Atavisms are pretty good evidence AGAINST creation and FOR evolution in the sense that Darwin's ideas perfectly explain them, but literal Biblical creationism falls flat on its face when trying to explain them. |
P... have a READ. |
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P1234567890
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: |
Atavisms are pretty good evidence AGAINST creation and FOR evolution in the sense that Darwin's ideas perfectly explain them, but literal Biblical creationism falls flat on its face when trying to explain them. |
P... have a READ. |
Trinity, the statements about the tail are VERY dishonest. Here is what it says on the page you referenced:
| Quote: | Children born with a ‘tail’
This is a favorite piece of ‘evidence’ which seems to be trotted out in the popular press every decade or so. The most recent was reported in the North American newspapers as ‘Child born with a tail’ in May, 1982, but the facts were more soberly reported in the New England Journal of Medicine (306:1212). Even though the medical profession is careful to point out that the phenomenon is not a tail and contains no bones, but is rather fatty tissue known as a caudal appendage, the popular press still prefers to leave the impression that an evolutionary throw-back has occurred. |
This is simple deception. There have been MANY examples of humans born with TRUE tails containing real bones. Evolutionary throw-backs HAVE occurred. If you don't believe me, then believe your own eyes:
Here is the reference, from a respected, peer-reviewed medical journal:
Bar-Maor, J. A., Kesner, K. M., and Kaftori, J. K. (1980) "Human tails." J Bone Joint Surg Br. 62-B: 508-510.
Yes, atavisms exist, and yes, there are many well-documented cases of them, and yes, they are good evidence in favor of macroevolution and against the literal interpretation of Genesis. |
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Trinity1
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| Perhaps THIS might provide a better explanation. |
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FFT
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| Even assuming that no human tails are atavisms and instead going with Eugenie Scott's explanation supports evolution: the gene material duplication errors are exactly the sort of thing required for evolution with natural selection to work. |
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