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FFT
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:48 am Post subject:

So is Masaru Emoto right, then? All that water crystallization stuff is right? Since he's catching flack for it? Hell, I'm catching flack here, I must be right on the mark! Last edited by FFT on Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:21 am; edited 1 time in total

Trinity1
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:56 am Post subject:

FFT wrote:

Hell, I'm catching flack [b]here[/i], I must be right on the mark!

You just may very well be onto something here... Wink

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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."

‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith

Kty
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject:

Well despite the blanket statement, I am an atheist and I do dislike Kent Hovind. I don't know any atheists that don't

Trinity1
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject:

Kty wrote:

Well despite the blanket statement, I am an atheist and I do dislike Kent Hovind. I don't know any atheists that don't Razz

And you formed that opinion just from visiting his website? Laughing

-k-, if you say so. Confused or disgusted

P1234567890
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:31 pm Post subject:

Trinity1 wrote:

Kty wrote:

Well despite the blanket statement, I am an atheist and I do dislike Kent Hovind. I don't know any atheists that don't Razz

And you formed that opinion just from visiting his website? Laughing

-k-, if you say so. Confused or disgusted

I do not dislike Kent Hovind; I don't even know him. I certainly dislike some of his IDEAS.

Just like I don't dislike Trinity; in fact I think he's a good guy. I just don't like some of his ideas.
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P1234567890
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject:

Trinity1 wrote:

Look at the bright side… at least I left Chucky Darwin’s name out of it.

And don't think that I don't give you credit for that! Wink

As for the Hitler connection, he also breathed air and ate food. That does not make breathing air and eating food bad, even though it was only through these actions that Hitler was able to have enough energy to cause the largest war in the history of mankind. He couldn't have done it without the air and food.

If air and food are not bad because Hitler liked them, then neither is evolution.

Incidentally, here is a good one for you that you'll like: apparently Darwin was flatulent. Shocked

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-Blaise Pascal
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Ryck
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject:

FFT wrote:

So is Masaru Emoto right, then? All that water crystallization stuff is right? Since he's catching flack for it?

Hell, I'm catching flack here, I must be right on the mark!

Or you are a flack magnet. Wink

Ryck
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject:

P1234567890 wrote:

Incidentally, here is a good one for you that you'll like: apparently Darwin was flatulent. Shocked

So we have global warming because of his greenhouse gases, eh? Razz

Trinity1
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject:

P1234567890 wrote:

Trinity1 wrote:

Look at the bright side… at least I left Chucky Darwin’s name out of it.

And don't think that I don't give you credit for that! Wink

As for the Hitler connection, he also breathed air and ate food. That does not make breathing air and eating food bad, even though it was only through these actions that Hitler was able to have enough energy to cause the largest war in the history of mankind. He couldn't have done it without the air and food.
If air and food are not bad because Hitler liked them, then neither is evolution.

I saw video the other night that discussed this connection... I'll see if I can scrouge it up some where... I'll get you a link.

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Incidentally, here is a good one for you that you'll like: apparently Darwin was flatulent. Shocked

Well... that explains a few things... Very Happy

FFT
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:43 pm Post subject:

More importantly, Hitler was not an evolutionist. His writings indicate a preference for "kinds," not at all consistent with evolution. Eugenics was primarily based on Mendellian genetics.

WholeNewWorld
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject: debate challenge from evolutionist to Trinity1

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The reason for this overt hatred is (IMHO) is that he pulls no punches with his message. He essentially takes the sacred cow of evolution (in the broadest definition) into the holy temples of atheism, and sacrifices it on their holy alters of academia like the pig it is.

I'm an atheist, and willing to defend evolution. It's better to do these things one subject at a time, so tell me ONE scientific claim evolution makes, which you feel is false. if you need a couple weeks to retrieve Gish's "Evolution? The Fossils STILL say no!" from the library, I'll be patient.

And I don't want to give you opportunity to suggest I'm trying to stack the deck. There are advantages and disadvantages for both the offence and the defense, for he he goes first and he who responds, in a debate. If you honestly feel that starting out with you criticizing evolution and me defending against those criticisms, is just my sneaky way of stacking the deck in my favor, then I'll be happy to do the opposite, and criticize YEC and let you respond.

Fair?

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He is indeed a very contentious fella on both sides of this issue.

Because of his successes at misleading people about evolution, yes. For example, his dishonest debate video-editing, wherein he would insert slides during the filming of the evolutionist speech, so show the viewer at home that this point was false, instead of making the viewer wait till the end of the speech. He did this on his video debate with Farrell Till on the subject of Noah's Flood.

P1234567890
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject:

FFT wrote:

More importantly, Hitler was not an evolutionist. His writings indicate a preference for "kinds," not at all consistent with evolution. Eugenics was primarily based on Mendellian genetics.

This is true, but nothing smears an idea quite as nicely as associating it with Hitler.

Incidentally, did you hear George Bush using the term "Islamofascism" for the first time the other day? If you want a good example of Hitler-smearing, take a big whiff!
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-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous.

FFT
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject:

I mostly do my best to avoid hearing anything Bush says, these days.

P1234567890
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject:

FFT wrote:

I mostly do my best to avoid hearing anything Bush says, these days.

You guys had better elect a non-neocon in 2008. I don't think Americans really appreciate how much harm Bush has done to your country. I am eager to see how he is remembered by history. I'm guessing that he's going to be remembered as one of the worst two presidents of all time.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous.

Trinity1
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:48 am Post subject: Re: debate challenge from evolutionist to Trinity1

WholeNewWorld wrote:

I'm an atheist, and willing to defend evolution.

Well bless your little heart... welcome to the board. Smile

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It's better to do these things one subject at a time, so tell me ONE scientific claim evolution makes, which you feel is false.

Um... ah... oooo - k-, how about... all extant life all 'evolved' from a single celled organism.

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if you need a couple weeks to retrieve Gish's "Evolution? The Fossils STILL say no!" from the library, I'll be patient.

Well, I appreciate the offer, but I'll try just working from memory here and then, when I need to refer to books... I'll let you know. How’s that?

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And I don't want to give you opportunity to suggest I'm trying to stack the deck. There are advantages and disadvantages for both the offence and the defense, for he he goes first and he who responds, in a debate. If you honestly feel that starting out with you criticizing evolution and me defending against those criticisms, is just my sneaky way of stacking the deck in my favor, then I'll be happy to do the opposite, and criticize YEC and let you respond.
Fair?

No no no... please, proceed. Debate is always good fun... from either side. Smile

WNW wrote:

Trinity wrote:

He is indeed a very contentious fella on both sides of this issue.

Showing evidence that the debater's evidence is false while the debater is... presenting false evidence... is 'misleading'?
So, if he would have waited until the debater finished presenting the false evidence and then threw up slides demonstrating that it was false would have been OK?
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."

‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith

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