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Silver Surfer
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 Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: 7th Day Sabbath in Heaven ! |
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Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and [color=red]from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. [/color]
And, if a person refuses to keep the sabbath here, on this earth, will they not refuse to keep it there, in the New Earth as well ?
Therefore, the 7th day sabbath is the test of loyalty, in the here and now.
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Zathrus
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Oops! Wait a minute! From the same passage:
| Quote: | 19And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
20And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
21And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.
22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. |
Declaring God's glory among the Gentiles? Bringing the lost brethren of Israel as an offering before the Lord? The Lord making them His priests? This certainly sounds like a prophetic prediction of evangelism!
Evangelism in the new earth??  ".. wherein dwelleth righteousness"?  Haven't all the sinners been destroyed by that time? Who are these unreached Gentiles who the gospel is being preached to and who are becoming priests of the Lord?
Wasn't the great move of God where the gospel of Christ was taken to the Gentiles in the 1st century?
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mtimber
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| Zathrus wrote: | Oops! Wait a minute! From the same passage:
| Quote: | 19And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
20And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
21And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.
22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. |
Declaring God's glory among the Gentiles? Bringing the lost brethren of Israel as an offering before the Lord? The Lord making them His priests? This certainly sounds like a prophetic prediction of evangelism!
Evangelism in the new earth?? ".. wherein dwelleth righteousness"? Haven't all the sinners been destroyed by that time? Who are these unreached Gentiles who the gospel is being preached to and who are becoming priests of the Lord?
Wasn't the great move of God where the gospel of Christ was taken to the Gentiles in the 1st century? |
It is simply describing a chronological series of events Zathrus.
Why is that difficult to see? |
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Zathrus
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| mtimber wrote: |
It is simply describing a chronological series of events Zathrus.
Why is that difficult to see? |
What is difficult to see is the 2000 year gap you are wedging into the text then, between verse 21 and 22. And the writer starts verse 22 with the word "For..." meaning "because of what I just said...". There's no hint of discontinuity in his thought, much less any indication of a time gap spanning millenia.
Please pardon me if I find the chronology in this "chronological series of events" a little hard to swallow.
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Zathrus
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Further more, if we go a few verses further back in the same passage, we find this: | Quote: | 15For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
17They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
18For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
19And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them... |
Our chronological series of events suddenly does not fit any end times timeline I've ever heard of. I included the first part of verse 19 in the above quote to show that Isaiah is not jumping from a prophecy of the Lord's return to a different subject. The evangelization of the Gentiles in the 1st century, in his prophecy, was related to the coming of the Lord in judgement against Israel.
It's also worth noting that Isaiah 66 follows Isaiah 65, in which Isaiah describes the new heaven and earth. The chapter division was of course not put in by the author. It is a continuous prophecy. Isaiah 65 starts off talking about the inclusion of the Gentiles in God's kingdom and Israel's rejection of the gospel in the 1st century. In both chapters the preaching of the gospel to the Gentiles is inseparably connected with end time events, the close of the age, and the establishment of the age that was to come. It is not possible to put Isaiah's prophecies of events we know were fulfilled in the early church first and his apocalyptic prohecies later, after some undetermined gap that he fails to mention, by reading the plain text.
And it is not possible to literalize the last verse and say that we will take a mandatory day off and go to church every Saturday when we get to the sweet by and by. That is a Westernized, modernized interpretation and not what the the Lord through the prophet Isaiah was saying at all.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| Zathrus wrote: | | And it is not possible to literalize the last verse and say that we will take a mandatory day off and go to church every Saturday when we get to the sweet by and by. That is a Westernized, modernized interpretation and not what the the Lord through the prophet Isaiah was saying at all. |
What is being refered to here is what the Bible says in Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
According to Zathrus, it is NOT to be taken as the truth of the Bible.
Which also MUST include that God WILL NOT make a New Heavens and a New Earth....as God said He would.
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Zathrus
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | According to Zathrus, it is NOT to be taken as the truth of the Bible.
Which also MUST include that God WILL NOT make a New Heavens and a New Earth....as God said He would. |
You are misrepresenting me. No matter, what I said is there in print for anyone to read. I said nothing about dismissing any part of Isaiah's prophecy as not being the truth of scripture.
In fact your statement saying that my teaching must include that God will not make a new heaven and new earth is in direct contradiction to the things I posted. I clearly said that Isaiah's prophecy in chapters 65 and 66 foretells the time when God would establish a new order and have a new chosen people, and He would judge unfaithful Israel and the gospel would be preached to the Gentiles, who would believe and become His people.
We know that that was all fulfilled. IT's there to read in the book of Acts and in the epistles. And therefore we know that the new heaven and new earth that Isaiah foretold has been created.
The fact that God fulfilled His Word as He meant it to be understood (and how any 1st century Jew would have understood it) and not as Westerners in the 1800's when your religious organization was founded understood it, and the fact that I happen to recognize this, does not mean I deny that any of Isaiah's prophecy is true. On the contrary, my understanding of Isaiah's prophecy affirms that God is faithful to His Word.
Brother Surfer, you are like the dispensationalists who knowing that the prophecies of the old testament foretell that God would set up His kingdom on earth before the fall of the Roman empire, teach a revived Roman empier which is to appear in the end times, and who knowing that the scripture teaches that the destruction of the temple must accompany the end of the age and the coming of the LOrd, teach a rebuilt temple in the end times so the prophecies can be fulfilled according to their Westernized, lieteralized interpretation rather than according to God's truth.
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From the Epistle of Barnabas (which appeared in the earliest canons). I highly recommend the reading of this and consider it inspired by the Holy Spirit:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/barnabas-roberts.html
CHAPTER XV.--THE FALSE AND THE TRUE SABBATH.
Further, also, it is written concerning the Sabbath in the Decalogue which [the Lord] spoke, face to face, to Moses on Mount Sinai, "And sanctify ye the Sabbath of the Lord with clean hands and a pure heart." And He says in another place, "If my sons keep the Sabbath, then will I cause my mercy to rest upon them." The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: "And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it." Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, "He finished in six days." This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth, saying, "Behold, to-day will be as a thousand years." Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. "And He rested on the seventh day." This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day. Moreover, He says, "Thou shalt sanctify it with pure hands and a pure heart." If, therefore, any one can now sanctify the day which God hath sanctified, except he is pure in heart in all things, we are deceived. Behold, therefore: certainly then one properly resting sanctifies it, when we ourselves, having received the promise, wickedness no longer existing, and all things having been made new by the Lord, shall be able to work righteousness. Then we shall be able to sanctify it, having been first sanctified ourselves. Further, He says to them, "Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure." Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens. |
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I should also add that Jesus was risen on the 8th day. Some believe that Jesus rose on the Sabbath day but it was our first day of the week and not the seventh. But also, the 8th day was necessary as that is when the children of God are concescrated to Him. Read the last part of that Barnabas post above.
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| trettep wrote: | | From the Epistle of Barnabas (which appeared in the earliest canons). |
Citation Please. Just which "canons" be these?
| trettep wrote: | | I highly recommend the reading of this and consider it inspired by the Holy Spirit: |
Why should I be surprised. 
| New Advent (Link) wrote: | | The extremely allegorical character of the exegesis leads to the supposition that the author of the letter was an Alexandrian. His way of constantly placing himself and his readers in opposition to the Jews makes it impossible to believe that either he or the larger part of his readers were of Jewish origin. Besides, he is not always familiar with the Mosaic rites (cf. ch. vii). The history of the epistle confirms its Alexandrine origin. Up to the fourth century only the Alexandrians were acquainted with it, and in their Church the epistle attained to the honour of being publicly read. The manner in which Clement of Alexandria and Origen refer to the letter gives confirmation to the belief that, about the year A.D. 200, even in Alexandria the Epistle of Barnabas was not regarded by everyone as an inspired writing. |
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By the way Epistles of Barnabas was part of Codex Sinaiticus.
http://www.ntcanon.org/table.shtml
Also:
At other times Origen, accepts as Christian evidence any material he finds convincing or appealing, even designating on occasion these writings as 'divinely inspired':
Gospel of Peter
Gospel of the Hebrews
Acts of Paul
I Clement
Epistle of Barnabas
Didache
Shepherd of Hermas
Regarding Clement of Alexanderia:
Clement and the Epistle of Barnabas
According to [Metzger]:
He [Clement] refers to Orpheus as 'the theologian', and speaks of Plato as being 'under the inspiration of God'. Even the Epicurean Metrodorus uttered certain words 'divinely inspired'. It is not surprising then that, that he can quote passages as inspired from the epistles of Clement of Rome and of Barnabas, the Shepherd of Hermas, and the Apocalypse of Peter. (p. 134)
However he does not hesitate to criticize an interpretation given by the author of the Epistle of Barnabas (Paed. II. x. 3, and Strom. II. xv. 67).
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I believe the new heaven and the new earth refer to our minds (renewing our minds), and our bodies (circumcising the works of the flesh), so that we may worship God in spirit and in truth.
We are the temple, this new body made without hands.
And in us is where God dwells.
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
trettep that was awesome!
| Quote: | | Further, also, it is written concerning the Sabbath in the Decalogue which [the Lord] spoke, face to face, to Moses on Mount Sinai, "And sanctify ye the Sabbath of the Lord with clean hands and a pure heart." |
Pro 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
| Quote: | | "And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it." Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, "He finished in six days." This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth, saying, "Behold, to-day will be as a thousand years." Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. |
Hbr 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
Jhn 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
When Jesus said It is finished, I believe this is the end of the 6th day or 6 thousand years. When Jesus gave up the ghost he entered into the rest of the sabbath. The Day of Faith, God's vengence upon the faithless was to bring faith to it..thus saving the enemy by flooding it with Mercy and Love and Faith..
they didn't even see it coming..lol
| Quote: | | and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it." |
Hbr 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
What was it that Jesus brought with him in order to create this new heaven/mind and earth/body?
What did he clean us with?
what makes us new?
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 16:5 And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.
Act 26:18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Is this the day of Faith?
Faith is purified and sanctified and do we rest in it?
Exd 34:21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
Isa 32:13 Upon the land of my people shall come up thorns [and] briers; yea, upon all the houses of joy [in] the joyous city:
Isa 32:14 Because the palaces shall be forsaken; the multitude of the city shall be left; the forts and towers shall be for dens for ever, a joy of wild asses, a pasture of flocks;
Isa 32:15 Until the spirit be poured upon us from on high, and the wilderness be a fruitful field, and the fruitful field be counted for a forest.
Isa 32:16 ¶ Then judgment shall dwell in the wilderness, and righteousness remain in the fruitful field.
Isa 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Isa 32:18 And my people shall dwell in a peaceable habitation, and in sure dwellings, and in quiet resting places;
Isa 32:19 When it shall hail, coming down on the forest; and the city shall be low in a low place.
until the spirit be poured upon us:
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
So what do we sow and reap in this new heaven and earth which God has made new and created with his hands?
Why good fruit! 
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
| Quote: | | Moreover, He says, "Thou shalt sanctify it with pure hands and a pure heart." If, therefore, any one can now sanctify the day which God hath sanctified, except he is pure in heart in all things, we are deceived. Behold, therefore: certainly then one properly resting sanctifies it, when we ourselves, having received the promise, wickedness no longer existing, and all things having been made new by the Lord, shall be able to work righteousness. Then we shall be able to sanctify it, having been first sanctified ourselves. |
I believe the Day..is the Day of Faith.
And we rest in it.
You see how the night was drawing closer to the Day, when Jesus says..oh ye of little faith, and where is thy faith, and if ye had faith as a mustard seed...etc..
Faith had almost been swallowed up. There were only a few seeds of faith that remained..thy faith had made thee whole, thy faith hath saved thee..etc..
And the question was:
Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
If you look at the earth filled with violence and the works of the flesh..murderers, adulteries, covetousness, etc..
then when Jesus came the whole earth was filled with corruption. From those devils and demons, those evil and adulterous generations that lived in darkness and were blind. They sowed to their flesh and they reaped corruption.
The waters are the multitudes of peoples...which Jesus "breathed" or "moved" when he spoke with them.
The elements or traditions he blew away.
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Isa 13:6 ¶ Howl ye; for the day of the LORD [is] at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
Isa 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces [shall be as] flames.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
Isa 13:12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
Isa 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.
We live by the sun and the moon to keep track of days and weeks and years..
Isa 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
Isa 60:20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
Six days thou shalt work..and the seventh day thou shalt rest.
The sun and moon no longer dictate the times of refreshing. We no longer have to count the rising and the settings of the sun to determine what "day" it is.
For the Lord himself is the eternal light, the eternal rest for our souls. And the rest we seek is through faith in his light, in him.
Deu 5:14 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
Jer 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where [is] the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk [therein].
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Isa 58:12 And [they that shall be] of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
Isa 58:13 ¶ If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:
Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it].
| Quote: | | Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens. |
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
The new heaven:
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
The new Earth:
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
No more Sea:
Jer 6:23 They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they [are] cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, O daughter of Zion.
Mar 4:39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.
If you keep looking for To morrow, To day might pass you by.. 
Hbr 3:7 ¶ Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Hbr 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Hbr 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Hbr 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in [their] heart; and they have not known my ways.
Hbr 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
Hbr 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Hbr 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Hbr 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Hbr 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
Hbr 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Hbr 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in [their] heart; and they have not known my ways.
what generation is that?
what was tempted? God's Mercy?
what was proved? God's Love?
how did they err?
how did they not know his ways?
Didn't they have Moses and the books of the law?
what were they doing wrong?
Deu 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end [shall be]: for they [are] a very froward generation, children in whom [is] no faith.
Mar 4:40 And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?
history....
1Jo 1:1 ¶ That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
1Jo 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen [it], and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
1Jo 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1Jo 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
1Jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.
Jam 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
The Word of Life:
Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
Jhn 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Act 5:20 Go, stand and speak in the temple to the people all the words of this life.
A new way, A new Day, a new life, a new beginning.
To Day..
(i've been good Nobby, this is the first long one in a while..  )..
ramblin on..
hugs
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trettep
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Hi Lone, actually I don't believe the end of the six day has happened. Because when it does happen the seven day would have happened. I believe we should really pay attention to the fact that Jesus said He would raise the Temple on the third day. If a day is a thousand years as Barnabas says then that third day is fast approaching. But Barnabas is saying what is already in our scriptures for Peter says that a day is as a thousand years with God. Many people think that seven refers to completion but I think that seven more importantly refers to a reference to this world. Not the one to come.
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Silver Surfer
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| trettep wrote: | I should also add that Jesus was risen on the 8th day. Some believe that Jesus rose on the Sabbath day but it was our first day of the week and not the seventh. But also, the 8th day was necessary as that is when the children of God are concescrated to Him. Read the last part of that Barnabas post above.
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The Bible says nothing about Jesus arising the 8th day.
It says the 1st day of the week ( Luke 23:54.......).
There is no 8th day of the week.
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