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Trinity1
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| Ryck wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: | | Ryck wrote: |
It will never happen. Never never! Islam makes them too psychotic; and too eagar to be swayed by fire-breathing religious leaders that are even more psychotic than they are.
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Ryck, how can you say something this absurd? You think that the vast majority of Muslims are "psychotic"?!? Where on Earth do you get these ideas? How can you POSSIBLY justify this point of view? |
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I agree... to an extent. Not all of them are psychotic... however, some do have more issues than others simply based on who is providing them their marching orders.
| Quote: | | Three words: World Trade Center. |
And we should never forget that FACT.
| Quote: | | Perhaps you're right. Please excuse me. My feelings are still quite raw. |
I know the feeling!!!
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Its not Hezzbolah's fault... its not the terroists in Iraq's fault, its not even Ossama's fault... it is ALL Israel's fault... and the US and Britain's for supporting them.
When are these folks EVER going to learn that there just may be a possibility that the rest of the world isn't all screwed up... that it just might be them... and they need admit as much and try something new?
Have a look HERE.
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‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Ryck wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: | | Ryck wrote: |
It will never happen. Never never! Islam makes them too psychotic; and too eagar to be swayed by fire-breathing religious leaders that are even more psychotic than they are.
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Ryck, how can you say something this absurd? You think that the vast majority of Muslims are "psychotic"?!? Where on Earth do you get these ideas? How can you POSSIBLY justify this point of view? |
Three words: World Trade Center.
I used to work there. I lost friends and acquaintances there. I lost a lot of good memories there. Thousands of people lost their lives there. For what? So some suicidal idiots at the command of some psychotic who is obviously smarter than they are, albeit just as evil, can hurt and kill innocent men, women, and children via a plan of treachery and deceit so they can spend the rest of their afterlife in heavenly bliss with 72 virgins all to the glory of Allah the Merciful!
Makes me want to puke!
Perhaps you're right. Please excuse me. My feelings are still quite raw. |
Obviously the WTC attacks were terrible, and we should kill everyone who was involved in planning them (when were we going to get around to killing Osama, again?).
I'm sorry that you lost friends in the attacks.
But that doesn't mean that ALL Muslims are crazy or psychotic. As far as I can tell, it's mostly the Wahabis.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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Ryck
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | Its not Hezzbolah's fault... its not the terroists in Iraq's fault, its not even Ossama's fault... it is ALL Israel's fault... and the US and Britain's for supporting them.
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Really? As far as I can tell Israel was just minding its own business then Hezzbolah decided to raid Israel in a copycat of what similar Hamas militants did in Gaza. How much should Israel keep taking quietly before enough is enough?
Besides, Hezzbolah has been illegally militarizing themselves and the entire south Lebanon border in violation of UN resolution and Lebanon sovereignty for six years. Israel knew that it had rockets pointed at them all this time and that the number of rockets were growing every day yet lived under that threat and insecurity while its warnings and requests went unheeded. Remarkable restraint for six years! In contrast, in the 60s when the USA found out that Russia had missles just over 90 miles away in Cuba the USA immediately acted, formed a naval blockade, and was ready to go to war over it.
What do you think Hezzbolah intended to do with tens of thousands of rockets in the basements of civilian dwellings? Use them as garden decorations? |
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Ryck
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Ryck wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: | | Ryck wrote: |
It will never happen. Never never! Islam makes them too psychotic; and too eagar to be swayed by fire-breathing religious leaders that are even more psychotic than they are.
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Ryck, how can you say something this absurd? You think that the vast majority of Muslims are "psychotic"?!? Where on Earth do you get these ideas? How can you POSSIBLY justify this point of view? |
Three words: World Trade Center.
I used to work there. I lost friends and acquaintances there. I lost a lot of good memories there. Thousands of people lost their lives there. For what? So some suicidal idiots at the command of some psychotic who is obviously smarter than they are, albeit just as evil, can hurt and kill innocent men, women, and children via a plan of treachery and deceit so they can spend the rest of their afterlife in heavenly bliss with 72 virgins all to the glory of Allah the Merciful!
Makes me want to puke!
Perhaps you're right. Please excuse me. My feelings are still quite raw. |
Obviously the WTC attacks were terrible, and we should kill everyone who was involved in planning them (when were we going to get around to killing Osama, again?).
I'm sorry that you lost friends in the attacks.
But that doesn't mean that ALL Muslims are crazy or psychotic. As far as I can tell, it's mostly the Wahabis. |
Thanks.
I'm still waiting for most Muslims to raise voice and action in effective condemnation and obstruction of their efforts instead of letting these Wahabis represent them all. Isn't the old saying -"Silence implies consent" - so oftens turns out worriedly appropos in these situations? |
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FFT
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Ryck wrote: | | How much should Israel keep taking quietly before enough is enough? |
Is attacking the citizens of a country who are completely innocent a rational response to the kidnappings of two people? |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Ryck wrote: | | How much should Israel keep taking quietly before enough is enough? |
Is attacking the citizens of a country who are completely innocent a rational response to the kidnappings of two people? |
As usual... the 'devil' is in the details of your response.
Completely innocent is subjective as the day is long. Harboring terrorists, storing their weapons, providing aid and comfort, and enabling them to live freely among you is not as innocent as you are implying.
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| Ryck wrote: | | Besides, Hezzbolah has been illegally militarizing themselves and the entire south Lebanon border in violation of UN resolution and Lebanon sovereignty for six years. |
Oh sure... like that really matters...  Iraq was shooting ADA at our aircraft patrolling the no fly zone on a daily basis up to the war in 2002 and 2003... in violation of UN resolutions... but it seems that wasn't provocative enough for most in these here parts either.
The UN is meaningless, corrupt, and is nothing more than an excuse for tyrannical thugs to appear legitimate.
| Quote: | | What do you think Hezzbolah intended to do with tens of thousands of rockets in the basements of civilian dwellings? Use them as garden decorations? |
I prefer to think that they would have been willing to subject themselves to UN inspectors who would come in and certify them as 'compliant' with international law and custom. But then... I woke up and realized that I was in Iraq and that just doesn't seem to work to well.
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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Ryck
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Ryck wrote: | | How much should Israel keep taking quietly before enough is enough? |
Is attacking the citizens of a country who are completely innocent a rational response to the kidnappings of two people? |
Is initiating the conflict with Isreal and then shooting bullets and rockets as you blend with the citizens of a country you have hijacked a rational way to start and fight a war?
Israel has a right to defend itself against aggression. It's a pity that Hezzbollah uses innocent people as human sheilds. But Israel warned citizens even a week in advance to move because Israel has known for years that she will be fighting cowards, again. Which is much more notice than Hezzbollah's zero notices for any citizen of Israel.
Those citizens should be educating themselves very quickly not be human shields. If they can't disarm Hezzbollah themselves, the next logical thing they should do is deny Hezzbollah the human shields they were "volunteered" into being by Hezzbollah.
If they are hostages in their own country, they are not effectively letting that be known or that particular piece of information is being suppressed by those that want to use the Lebonnese people as human shields and take casualities for Hezzbollah.
At any rate, your critique on how this war should be executed is on the wrong party. |
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Ryck
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Ryck wrote: | | Besides, Hezzbolah has been illegally militarizing themselves and the entire south Lebanon border in violation of UN resolution and Lebanon sovereignty for six years. |
Oh sure... like that really matters... Iraq was shooting ADA at our aircraft patrolling the no fly zone on a daily basis up to the war in 2002 and 2003... in violation of UN resolutions... but it seems that wasn't provocative enough for most in these here parts either.
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How do you compare Iraq shooting USA aircraft flying over Iraqi airspace to Russia having missles aimed at the USA from Cuba or Hezzbolah having missles aimed at Israel from Lebonnon??? These countries, USA and Isreal, can't act in their self-defense when they are literally staring down the barrel of a gun?
You have a strange sense. It's one thing to put yourself in harm's way. It's another thing to have harm's way stacked thick on your very doorstep! |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| Ryck wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | Ryck wrote: | | Besides, Hezzbolah has been illegally militarizing themselves and the entire south Lebanon border in violation of UN resolution and Lebanon sovereignty for six years. |
Oh sure... like that really matters... Iraq was shooting ADA at our aircraft patrolling the no fly zone on a daily basis up to the war in 2002 and 2003... in violation of UN resolutions... but it seems that wasn't provocative enough for most in these here parts either.
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How do you compare Iraq shooting USA aircraft flying over Iraqi airspace to Russia having missles aimed at the USA from Cuba or Hezzbolah having missles aimed at Israel from Lebonnon??? These countries, USA and Isreal, can't act in their self-defense when they are literally staring down the barrel of a gun?
You have a strange sense. It's one thing to put yourself in harm's way. It's another thing to have harm's way stacked thick on your very doorstep! |
Indeed... I do have a strange sense Ryck. But, my post was more 'tongue and cheek'. It is a strange sense of humor.
I believe I share your disgust for these double standards. The UN, and its supposed objective treatment of Israel and those who support her, makes me wonder how or why people forget why the nation was granted statehood in the first place. I can understand Arabic countries condemning Israel... sorta... but European countries should know better. Their complacency and willingness to negotiate with thugs is absolutely amazing.
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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FFT
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Completely innocent is subjective as the day is long. Harboring terrorists, storing their weapons, providing aid and comfort, and enabling them to live freely among you is not as innocent as you are implying. |
Is every citizen in Lebanon guilty of this?
Seriously, this is like some country in Africa carpet bombing the USA because a few KKK members kidnapped a few people. Would this seem a rational response?
| Ryck wrote: | | Is initiating the conflict with Isreal and then shooting bullets and rockets as you blend with the citizens of a country you have hijacked a rational way to start and fight a war? |
Lebanon did not do this. Your point is invalid. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | Completely innocent is subjective as the day is long. Harboring terrorists, storing their weapons, providing aid and comfort, and enabling them to live freely among you is not as innocent as you are implying. |
Is every citizen in Lebanon guilty of this? |
Obviously not... but...
| Quote: | | Seriously, this is like some country in Africa carpet bombing the USA because a few KKK members kidnapped a few people. Would this seem a rational response? |
If our country did nothing to prevent, or did not try to stop this organization (KKK) from committing such acts... and provided a passive endorsement... you betcha. There is not a moral equivalent here FFT... none.
Lebanon is either unable to stop or will not put its foot down on the operations of Hezbollah in their country. If they are unable, then they need to let the international community know and request some form of assistance... i.e. do something about those countries that are providing aid to Hezbollah (Iran/Syria). We didn't hear about that happening now did we.
By not doing anything about it... at all... the country provided a type of 'passive' support to Hezbollah and thereby is responsible for their actions. So, if you have a group in your country that is firing rockets off into your neighbor’s country, or kidnapping its soldiers... it then becomes your responsibility to do something about it. If you don't, then don't complain when the country that is getting shelled visits the same type of treatment on you!
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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FFT
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| And individual citizens are responsible for the inaction of their government? |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | And individual citizens are responsible for the inaction of their government? |
To an extent... sure. If you are only voting for a bunch of thugs... who support a bunch of other thugs... who happen to posses sophisticated weaponry... yea... sure.
But that is not the issue and you know it. During war, people get killed. Civilians get killed. When one side does everything possible and reasonable to prevent harming civilians... and the other does everything possible and reasonable to harm civilians... and all you can do is snivel about 'innocent Lebanese' getting killed... your argument quickly falls apart. Unless of course, you think Israel is getting exactly what it deserves.  The people of Lebanon have done absolutely nothing to prevent Hezbollah from operating freely among them... if you ask me... as tragic as civilian people getting killed during this is... it does cause those who have brought this violence and destruction to be scrutinized for what they are... a bunch of thugs doing the bidding of someone who thinks Mohamed is coming back next week... who is also blinded by hate.
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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