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Kty
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 Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:17 am Post subject: Kent Hovind |
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I have been enjoying reading little parts and pieces of this man's website. I have been curious about how the average Christians view this man.
(I see no poll options so I'm just asking)
Do you consider this man as a good example of what is a 'Christian'? As a Christian, do you consider him a 'true Christian'?
You are welcome to ellaborate.  I'm very curious for the responses here. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Kent Hovind |
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| Kty wrote: | I have been enjoying reading little parts and pieces of this man's website. I have been curious about how the average Christians view this man.
(I see no poll options so I'm just asking)
Do you consider this man as a good example of what is a 'Christian'? As a Christian, do you consider him a 'true Christian'?
You are welcome to ellaborate. I'm very curious for the responses here. |
 This sounds like a loooooooaaaaaaaaaded question. 
I'm not sure if you just got 'lucky' and ran into Hovind's website, or are a plant (spy) of sorts trying to get a rise out of people.
If there is one person in this (already contentious) issue that absolutely inflames both sides of the fire.... it is Kent Hovind. Evolutionists hate this guy with a passion. Just go to google and type in his name and see for yourself how many websites exist devoted to nothing more than addressing the 'lies' he tells and the problems he has. I'm still try to figure out what color underwear he wears... as everything else that could be said about him... probably already has. The reason for this overt hatred is (IMHO) is that he pulls no punches with his message. He essentially takes the sacred cow of evolution (in the broadest definition) into the holy temples of atheism, and sacrifices it on their holy alters of academia like the pig it is. He doesn't mix words... and is hated and vilified for it. You want to get an evolutionists gander up... mention this fella's name. 
Creationists, for the most part, love this guy. He presents a Biblical version of Biblical Creation and ToE in an extremely understandable manner. His presentations are pretty informative, and entertaining. If you are a fundamentalist... you will probably end up liking this guy.
Personally, I like him. I do have some disagreements with him... but for the most part, I believe he has done more good than harm to the YEC movement. I have met with him personally, corresponded with him, and have actually had some photos of mine put in his presentations. He is an extremely personable person... easy to get along with, and most importantly, loves God. As of late, he has been experiencing some legal problems with taxes.... which stem from a slanted view of the churches relationship with the government. Some other YEC leaders place some distance between themselves and Hovind. After asking Kevin Anderson with CRS about what he thought about Hovind… his only reply was that he was a loose cannon. He is indeed a very contentious fella on both sides of this issue.
I have seen some of the most vicious and baseless charges leveled against this guy based on what they heard, thought they read, or may have seen this guy do or say. It really is entertaining to see the reaction of folks when you mention this guys name... this thread should be real interesting. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Kent Hovind |
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| Kty wrote: |
You are welcome to ellaborate. I'm very curious for the responses here. |
Anyone who uses scripture as if it were a science text book is making a big mistake, especially if they choose to DISBELIEVE in scientific discoveries for religious reasons.
If you want to be a creationist and be rational about it, you have to look at what science tells us, and then interpret the Bible so as to agree with it. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Kent Hovind |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | If you want to be a creationist and be rational about it, you have to look at what science tells us, and then interpret the Bible so as to agree with it. |
And a solid definition of rationality would be... relative in this case...
If the Bible is what it claims to be... I believe it would be much more rational to interpret our observations based on that instead of what we 'think' we know. |
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Kty
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I have been having the premonition that Creationists (Especially the YEC) in general tend to like this fellow. Of course there are parts where they may disagree. It's understandable. There's always that kind of problem.
( As a side-note, I tend to post a lot of loaded broad questions, in part because I'm not sure what the reaction will be to them, as to expand the question to fit the reaction potential.)
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To be honest, I am *very* not well-read on this man, so my question is only by the mere sight of curiousness on what it could mean to those that also are under these particular religious views. I have only been on his site twice. I heard him in an audio debate against Pigilucci and then I heard half of one of the 2 hour debates on youtube the other night.
What I have understood so far, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, is the YEC are not very against the beliefs of these very fundamentalist followers (such like Pat Robertson, Kent Hovind, and so on) but what they are mainly against in it is the method by which they propagate their viewpoint. Not so much the beliefs.
Kent Hovind and people like him are very interesting.
That must have been something to actually meet the man. Trinity1.
P1234567890 sounds like the average OEC. ^_^ Or atheist. I can't tell anymore. lol. Just kidding! |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Kty wrote: | | I heard him in an audio debate against Pigilucci and then I heard half of one of the 2 hour debates on youtube the other night. |
He has actually had a few debates with this Shermer fella... good entertainment.
| Quote: | | What I have understood so far, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, is the YEC are not very against the beliefs of these very fundamentalist followers (such like Pat Robertson, Kent Hovind, and so on) but what they are mainly against in it is the method by which they propagate their viewpoint. Not so much the beliefs. |
I’m really not following your point here as Robertson and Hovind have contradictory views concerning creation. |
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Kty
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: |
He has actually had a few debates with this Shermer fella... good entertainment. |
Shermer is great. I've only seen one of his debates though. He's quite a good speaker. Hopefully I'll eventually be able to find that one with Hovind. I can imagine how funny that one must be.
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I’m really not following your point here as Robertson and Hovind have contradictory views concerning creation. |
Well, not so much the point that they have contrary views doctrinally, but that the people that actually agree with them---don't disagree so much doctrinally but on the basis of their method of voicing their beliefs.
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I think I've lost my point here also. :sigh: Ah well. I'm sort of reiterating something vague now. lol |
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FFT
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | The reason for this overt hatred is (IMHO) is that he pulls no punches with his message. |
The reason for this "hatred" is that he is a liar but people believe him anyway.
Imagine how you would feel about the antichrist if a significant portion of the world was eating up everything he had to say but you knew that he was objectively wrong and that the arguments this antichrist used were 1. completely invalid and 2. based on lies.
That is why we "evolutionists" feel the way we do about Hovind. |
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Trinity1
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| FFT wrote: | | The reason for this "hatred" is that he is a liar but people believe him anyway. |
Your honor, the defense rests it case. Thanks FFT. |
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Kty
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| Nice blanket statement FFT |
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Trinity1
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| FFT wrote: | | Imagine how you would feel about the antichrist if a significant portion of the world was eating up everything he had to say but you knew that he was objectively wrong and that the arguments this antichrist used were 1. completely invalid and 2. based on lies. |
I think I would rejoice because that is exactly what the Bible predicts the anti-Christ will do. 
The Bible also predicts that the 'world will hate us for proclaiming His word.
So... I can logically conclude... the Bible has predicted both pretty accurately. To use one of Hovind’s analogies:
"You know you are right over the target if you are catching flack." I believe he might be pretty darn close in this case. |
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P1234567890
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Hey Trinity, I really like the quote in your profile!
Sullying evolution by associating it with Hitler; great stuff! About as fallacious as is humanly possible, but great stuff nonetheless! |
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Trinity1
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| P1234567890 wrote: | Hey Trinity, I really like the quote in your profile!
Sullying evolution by associating it with Hitler; great stuff! About as fallacious as is humanly possible, but great stuff nonetheless! |
I do try...
I was doing some looking and I ran across that Keith fella. Interesting stuff. Do a google on him... it might turn out that the quote is more applicable than just a 'fallacious' association.  Look at the bright side… at least I left Chucky Darwin’s name out of it. |
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FFT
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | "You know you are right over the target if you are catching flack." |
Absolute nonsense.
All quacks catch flack, does that mean that they're all right?
Just because people laugh at you doesn't mean you're secretly a genius like the Wright Brothers. They laughed at Bozo the Clown too (paraphrase). |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | "You know you are right over the target if you are catching flack." |
Absolute nonsense.
All quacks catch flack, does that mean that they're all right?
Just because people laugh at you doesn't mean you're secretly a genius like the Wright Brothers. They laughed at Bozo the Clown too (paraphrase). |
Keep singing... you are only making my point for me. |
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