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FFT
Emperor of the Galaxy
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | By what right have mere men, to change anything, God claims as HOLY ??? |
God's nonexistence aside, none, of course. Doesn't explain why Satan is necessary to explain the shift. The early Christians were disassociating themselves from the Jews after the Jewish-Roman war. |
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cballard
Grizzly Bear
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
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Location: WV
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| Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| SS, to leave the Catholic Church completely, you will also have to give up your Bible. That also was decided at a Catholic Church Council. |
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thunder
Lion King
Joined: 13 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Leaving the catholic church for me was when I picked up a bible and began reading, studying and looking for someone who could help me find a church that preaches and teaches from the precepts of bible text.
I just visited the catholic church at St. Johns, Newfoundland, where Lord Nelson ( the local clergyman who prompted the church at Rome to sanction his churches construction ) who's body is intombed under the altar of the structure and, as most catholic churches are, the building is fascinating and a work of art.
For me, that was the strongest draw to attend catholic services. As I aged the messages took less and less to understand then suddenly I realized that the same dogma gets preached over and over again with very little authentic time spent ministering Christ to the weary and broken hearted.
Keep the faith, read and understand your bible ( what ever it takes to do that ) step boldly into the presence of God and never, ever leave His side.
Love
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John R Nolan
Fierce Poodle
Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Location: Elimbah, Qld. Australia
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:02 am Post subject: Catholicism |
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Hey bro., you hit the nail right on the head in your dissitation supporting catholicism
The punch line for me was your comment about "CARRYING YOUR CROSS"
The Lord Jesus Christ carried mine for me, as He did for all His children, and the r.c. church still has everyone chained to their penances, their unScriptural doctrines, their works, instead of the freedom God's Grace extends to those for whom HE died
Maybe if you have a read of "The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hyslop. it may give you a clearer understanding of catholic doctrine
Foxes Book of Martyrs is also a good read, and Smuckers Glorious Reformation
It's not the poor people trapped in the r.c. system that are under attack from those of us who came out; but the perverse, demonic system which has her described as the "woman who is a member of the oldest profession in the world" in Rev.17:1, 15, 16; 19:2
Hopefully some of those yet trapped may hear the TRUTH she denies and yet escape her demonic grip |
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nobody important
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Joined: 16 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | "CARRYING YOUR CROSS"
The Lord Jesus Christ carried mine for me, as He did for all His children |
that is an unbliblical statement as is the rest of your biggoted post!
Christs own words were!!!!
"If anyone wants to come with Me, he must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Me"
"whoever doesn't take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me."
faith WITHOUT works is dead my fried... IS DEAD and since you say your faith has freed you from works your faith is dead!!
| Quote: | | Maybe if you have a read of "The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hyslop. it may give you a clearer understanding of catholic doctrine |
The eye is the window to the soul, if your eye is full of darkness how dark will your soul be?
John R Nolan, If the Catholic Church is the *One Who Practices the World's Oldest Profession* of babylon, if the Church is wicked and evil, if it is the beast of revelation what Good Can come from it...including protestantism...to denounce us as the beast and proclaim the church as evil is to recognise your heretage your own existance and faith as coming from evil and all that Came from the church was evil too including the bible. Either the Church is Good and all Christianity shares in some of her Goodness including protestantism and the Bible or the Church is Bad and all Christianity shares in her wicked ness including protestantism and the bible.
If The Church was the Church of Jesus Christ and received divine revelation to compile the Bible and write the NT than it is the same Church Today since Christ promised the Gates of Hell would not previal against that Church..or it never was that Church in the first place which means the bible is not divienly inspired and the whole of protestantism is wicked and false just the same. |
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dispen4ever
Sea Monkey
Joined: 23 Nov 2006
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Take a giant step in the right direction. Leave the Catholic church. Then follow Christ. Salvation is by grace thru faith, the gift of God. Amen. The Catholic religion is just that: a religion. Religion mandates compliance with rules, decrees, steps, procedures, policies, none of which is an ingredient of faith. Faith has an object: Jesus Christ. The Catholic church is Judaism in new robes ~ no one will be saved by the works of OT law (instruction), or by bending the knee before the pope. It's all right there for everyone to read: John 3:16-17, John 14:6, Romans 10:8-13. Plead those scriptures before Christ. Invite the Holy Spirit in. Shout hallelujah! Follow our Lord in Believer's baptism as an outward sign of the inward conviction in your heart that Jesus is Lord!  |
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John R Nolan
Fierce Poodle
Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Location: Elimbah, Qld. Australia
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:28 am Post subject: WHAT ARE CHRISTIANS |
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Thank you for your Christian response to my comments, if you consider what was stated, the members, those who have through birth or upbringing been enslaved into the r.c. system are not being condemned
My writings are an attempt to help those who seek a closer relationship with the ONE true GOD, revealed through the Lord Jesus Christ, His Son, recognize that the SYSTEM in which they are trapped is the duplication of the Babylonian religious system, their doctrines, the robes, the daily putting to death of their portable god, and that is what they need escape
The only place to find Salvation is in CHRIST, and He IS the WORD, NOT the church
Read 50 Years in the church of Rome, by Charles Chiniquy, it will help you comprehend what is being expressed here
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nobody important
Cobra
Joined: 16 Nov 2006
Posts: 462
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | through birth or upbringing been enslaved into the r.c. system are not being condemned
My writings are an attempt to help those who seek a closer relationship with the ONE true GOD, revealed through the Lord Jesus Christ, His Son, recognize that the SYSTEM in which they are trapped is the duplication of the Babylonian religious system |
I am a catholic I am free to chose to submit myself to the Catholic Church because it was the Church built by Jesus Christ Mat 16:18 I am not trapped I entrust my soul to the care of the Catholic Church whom Christ sent in his name "so as the father sent me so I send you"
Thorughout his ministry Jesus often likens his deciples to slaves and servents
Paul calls himself a slave of Christ Jesus
"For he who is called by the Lord as a slave is the Lord's freedman. Likewise he who is called as a free man is Christ's slave."
now jesus also say if the son sets you free you are free indeed.
what sets you free the Trush sets you free
"The truth shall set you free"
By making ourselves slaves we are acting in freedom and we can only submit ourselves to Christ and his Church if we know the truth because it is the truth that sets us free to become slave to Christ.
And it is obvious from your post you do not know the truth
| Quote: | | their doctrines, the robes, the daily putting to death of their portable god |
by daily putting to death and portable god I assume your refeing to the sacrafice of the mass or the Eucharist and it is clear to me and to any other catholic that you simply dont know the truth of this if you dont know the truth you can not be free and if you are not free you can not become a slave to Jesus Christ in knowing the truth I do not seek escape but ever more enslavement for the greatest among us must be a slave, ?I understand that you dont understand what the heck I am taking about but the more Ibecome a slave to christ the more free I am.
The more I become a slave to righeousness the more I am freed from sin.
The More I enslave mysefl to the ways of the Church the more I am freed from the Ways of the world
the More I am freed from the ways of the world the more I can discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God and enslave myself to them.
"Do not be conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. " |
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Silver Surfer
King Kong
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
Posts: 2709
Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: General doctrine - leaving the Catholic Church |
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Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Will you obey the Pope, and keep Sunday worship services, as the 'Mark' of his authority ?
OR...obey Jesus Christ, and keeo the Lord's Day, the 7th day sabbath ? |
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SealedEternal
Labrador
Joined: 28 Dec 2006
Posts: 312
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| nobody important wrote: |
John R Nolan, If the Catholic Church is the *One Who Practices the World's Oldest Profession* of babylon, if the Church is wicked and evil, if it is the beast of revelation what Good Can come from it...including protestantism...to denounce us as the beast and proclaim the church as evil is to recognise your heretage your own existance and faith as coming from evil and all that Came from the church was evil too including the bible. Either the Church is Good and all Christianity shares in some of her Goodness including protestantism and the Bible or the Church is Bad and all Christianity shares in her wicked ness including protestantism and the bible.
If The Church was the Church of Jesus Christ and received divine revelation to compile the Bible and write the NT than it is the same Church Today since Christ promised the Gates of Hell would not previal against that Church..or it never was that Church in the first place which means the bible is not divienly inspired and the whole of protestantism is wicked and false just the same. |
You are correct that Protestantism comes from Catholicism. The reformers were Catholics who had disagreements with their religion and wanted to reform it, and then protested when they wouldn't listen.
You're beginning with a false pretext however in your definition of "Church" itself. The word translated as "Church" in English Bibles is “ekklesia” and comes from two Greek words: Ek means out and Kaleo means call, and this is the verb form. When we put the two together and write the noun form of it, it is Ekklesia and means "called out ones." The Catholic so-called Church or any other institution or denomination is not the "ekklesia" and never has been. The term has always referred to the people whom Christ has called out, regenerated, and adopted into His family.
The false Roman Institution founded by Constantine was never the "ekklesia" of God, and those who God has called out would never attend such an institution which is so blatantly founded on Babylonian Satanism and has nothing to do with the Bible except for the terminology used as a veneer to hide the true intent to the low level adepts. The low level sheeple are always deceived by the hierarchy under the Babylonian mystery religions, and intentionally given misinterpretations of the doctrines. This is where the institution gets its power over the masses who rely entirely on the pagan priesthood for their salvation.
The true "ekklesia" of God has Christ as its head, and is therefore not under the bondage of any self proclaimed priesthood and institution. We are free from the tyranny of the Babylonian Satanists who use religion as a means of building empires where they are worshipped as gods. The term "Pontificus Maximus" is actually the pagan term for the man who was the mediator between the gods and men. The Pope uses this very term in addition to "Vicarius Christi" which means vicariously Christ. He thereby gives himself absolute power over his adepts and keeps them under his control and authority by holding the power of their salvation. This is the technique used by all of the Mystery religions going back to Babylon, which were used as a means of control and making man into gods.
The true "ekklesia" of Christ cannot be evil since He himself is the head of it, but anytime man tries to found his own "Church" as an institution where man has the authority and control, it will always lead to injustice and tyrrany. We are called out by He Himself, and under His authority alone, and cannot be controlled by any of Satan's religious institutions.
Most of the so-called "protestants" use the same means of control by redefining what the term "Church" really means. They often to a lesser degree claim that water baptism, communion, and/or tithing is necessary to salvation which still gives the institution control over the masses. This also serves as a perfect dialectic for Satan to keep people endlessly debating Protestant vs Catholic and never realizing that they are both essentially Babylonian in origin and miss the point of who the "ekklesia" really is.
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Silver Surfer
King Kong
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: General doctrine - leaving the Catholic Church |
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There is a old saying: "All roads lead to Rome".
In the Christian world, that is indeed a true, but sad fact.
So many people in the Christian world follow the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church (RCC).
Want to know what they are ?
Is it any wonder that the RCC is the largest church in the world, which boasts of some 1 Billion members !
Yet, the Bible tells us that the majority are wrong....in religious matters....
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Do you know the Bible prophecies, about the Catholic church ?
Her influence in the world (past, present, and future) ? |
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Pete
Tiger
Joined: 31 May 2006
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Location: Arlington Hts., Il. USA
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Catholic exodus
It seems that what was once a solid bastion of Catholicism has now become a great concern for the Vatican.
Latin Americans are leaving the Catholic Church in great numbers. Brazil, with more Catholics than any other country, is losing a half million Catholics every year from the church. Similarly, this kind of exodus is happening from Mexico to Argentina. In Guatemala, almost one-third of the Catholics have left the Church.
What gives? Pentecostal and other evangelical Protestant churches is what gives. Why the reason for the big switch? Part of the reason is said to be freedom from a foreign, dictatorial hierarchy in favor of a more family oriented local church community, with a desire for less formal ritual, and more personal involvement.
Rome is definitely worried. |
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Silver Surfer
King Kong
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| Pete wrote: | Catholic exodus
It seems that what was once a solid bastion of Catholicism has now become a great concern for the Vatican.
Latin Americans are leaving the Catholic Church in great numbers. Brazil, with more Catholics than any other country, is losing a half million Catholics every year from the church. Similarly, this kind of exodus is happening from Mexico to Argentina. In Guatemala, almost one-third of the Catholics have left the Church.
What gives? Pentecostal and other evangelical Protestant churches is what gives. Why the reason for the big switch? Part of the reason is said to be freedom from a foreign, dictatorial hierarchy in favor of a more family oriented local church community, with a desire for less formal ritual, and more personal involvement.
Rome is definitely worried. |
Here is a recent article I read about just such as thing as that......
Cardinals Discuss Pentecostal Threats
November 23, 2007 10:12 AM EST
VATICAN CITY - A senior Vatican cardinal told a gathering of the world's top prelates Friday that the Roman Catholic Church had to examine what it is doing wrong in the battle for souls who are leaving the church to join Pentecostal and other evangelical groups.
Cardinal Walter Kasper, who heads the Vatican's office for relations with other Christians, told a meeting of more than 100 cardinals that the church must undergo a "self-critical pastoral examination of conscience" to confront the "exponential" rise of Pentecostal movements.
"We shouldn't begin by asking ourselves what is wrong with the Pentecostals, but what our own pastoral shortcomings are," Kasper told the gathering, noting that such evangelical and charismatic groups count some 400 million faithful around the world.
The Vatican has been increasingly lamenting the rise of Protestant evangelical communities, which the Vatican describes as "sects," in Latin America, Africa and elsewhere and the resulting flight of Catholics. In Brazil alone, Roman Catholics used to account for about 90 percent of the population in the 1960s; by 2005 it was down to 67 percent.
The meeting came on the eve of Saturday's ceremony to elevate 23 new cardinals. As he did during his first consistory in 2006, Pope Benedict XVI asked the world's cardinals to come to Rome early for a meeting to discuss pressing church issues before the ceremony.
This year, Kasper briefed the cardinals on the church's relations with other Christians, focusing on the church's relations with the Orthodox, Protestants and Pentecostal movements.
Kasper said the rise of independent, often "aggressive" evangelical movements in places such as Africa had complicated the church's ecumenical task and made it more confused. Nevertheless, Kasper told reporters after the morning session that "ecumenism is not an option but an obligation."
Kasper opened his remarks by updating the cardinals and cardinal-designates on an important new document approved by a Vatican-Orthodox theological commission that has been working to heal the 1,000-year schism between the Catholic and Orthodox churches.
In the document, Catholic and Orthodox representatives both agreed that the pope has primacy over all bishops - although they disagreed over just what authority that primacy gives him.
The development is significant since the Great Schism of 1054 - which split the Catholic and Orthodox churches - was precipitated largely by disagreements over the primacy of the pope.
Kasper told the cardinals that the document was an "important turning point," since it marked the first time that Orthodox churches had agreed that there is a universal level of the church, that it has a primate, and that according to ancient church practice, that primate is the bishop of Rome - the pope.
"All the participants realize that this is just a first step and that the path toward full ecclesial communion will be long and difficult," he said.
Orthodox scholars and officials have praised the document as positive but they also noted that the recognition of the pope's primacy over all other bishops is, in practical terms, moot since the schism remains.
Kasper said that the Vatican's relations with the Russian Orthodox Church, in particular, had become "significantly smoother" in recent years.
"We can say there's no longer a freeze but a thaw," Kasper said.
Tensions between the two churches have been strained over Orthodox accusations that the Vatican is seeking converts on traditionally Orthodox territories, particularly in eastern Europe - charges that Rome denies.
The strain has precluded a meeting between a pope and Patriarch Alexy II, long sought by Pope John Paul II and pursued by Benedict.
Kasper noted that Moscow had "never categorically excluded" such an encounter.
Kasper said a recent document from the Vatican had created a "certain discontent" among Protestants, Lutherans and other Christian denominations spawned by the 16th century reformation.
The document issued this past summer contained nothing doctrinally new but repeated church teaching that other Christian communities were either defective or not true churches.
Kasper said the criticism that erupted after the document was released was "unjustified" but said the Vatican should review the form, language and way of presenting similar documents in the future.
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Associated Press Writer Daniela Petroff contributed to this report.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. |
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