Misunderstanding of Founding Fathers' Intentions

lone-traveler · Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject:

Nevermind,
I hear the argument already..
It's up to the parents to teach their children morals....

this is true.

I know I don't have anything against science or religion as long as it falls within the lines of morality and ethics.

Ok fair enough?

Lone
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Nobby · Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject:

Makes sense "P" Laughing

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Ana · Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:00 am Post subject:

Morals are always such an interesting topic. Where do your morals come from? Do they come from within you, or do you get them from an outside source? Morals are subjective, a lot of people say, so how do you get a society to agree on a set of morals? This is where religion comes in handy - when you have a religion with a large number of adherents all in the same society, then it's much easier for the people to compose a set of rules for society that jives with their moral code.

The trouble is, I don't think morals are subjective - like most religious people, I think that there is an answer for what is right, and what is wrong, and that this answer is absolute. I think, though, that the pervasiveness of religion throughout our history has severely stunted our ability to really think about, and articulate, what exactly that set of morals is. What religion does is tell you what your morals are, rather than letting you think of them for yourself. It also makes it difficult for non-adherents in a society full of religious people to think of morals in an unbiased way, because their morals are also influenced by the people around them, who are using their religion as a guiding principle. That said, religions often set out a decent moral code - they mostly just don't leave much room to critically analyze them.

I think that the founding fathers, although they used their religious backgrounds as a compass, went above their religious morals in order to create a set of rules for guiding society that was not restricted to biblical codes. In fact, the 13th amendment doesn't seem to jive with the bible at all!
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FFT · Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:01 am Post subject:

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P1234567890 · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject:

Our capacity for empathy, sympathy, and consequently our morals (mostly based on the Golden Rule) are hard-wired onto our brains via evolution. There is no way humans could have survived and done things like build camps, communities, hunt wolly mammoths, etc. without this capacity.
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John R Nolan · Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:51 am Post subject: Seperation of church and state

Having read a number of the comments re this issue one is encouoraged to question the need for such confusion
As it is understood, the first 'marriage' of church and state took place when Constantine made Christianity the 'state religion' to placate those citizens who were now seriously questioning why Christians were being murdered by the state when they had committed no crimes
Since that time, which was the formation of the R.C. denomination, the Vatican has, according to vast amounts of historical records, kept a very active, though very under handed finger on the pulse of world economics, political decisions and directions
A lot of this was done through the flooding of the new world, America, as well as Australia and many other nations with r.c. families, be they Irish, Italian, Spanish, etc.
By this means the r.c.'s soon controlled the vote and elected politicians the vatican wanted in power to further their programs
Seperation of church and state is essential to maintain any form of democracy
No churches should get any form of government financial support or advantage, such as tax free purchases, no tax on income, undisclosed income not being audited, etc.
Sources of income should be open to public perusal, as with any other business
Religion has become one of, if not the, most prosperous business in the world and it is time all their 'fringe benefits' were removed
Just think how much money that would free up to feed the poor and needy