Wake up Jehovah's Witnesses! Jesus is Jehovah!

HolyGhostPower · Big Hamster Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 96

If Jesus is not Jehovah, then explain this...

1. Isaiah 40:3 prophesied that a voice in the wilderness would cry, "Prepare ye the way of the LORD" (Jehovah); Matthew 3:3 says John the Baptist is the fulfillment of this prophecy. Of course, we know that John prepared the way of the Lord Jesus Christ. Since the name Jehovah was the sacred name for the one God, the Bible would not apply it to anyone other than the Holy One of Israel; here it is applied to Jesus.

2. Malachi 3:1 says, "The LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant." This was fulfilled by Jesus, whether the literal Temple or the temple of Jesus' body is meant (John 2:21).

3. Jeremiah 23:5-6 speaks of a righteous Branch from David - a clear reference to the Messiah - and names Him "The LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS." (See also Jeremiah 33:15-16.) In other words, Jesus is "Jehovah Our Righteousness."

4. Isaiah says, speaking of Jehovah, "His arm brought salvation" (Isaiah 59:16), and "his arm shall rule for him" (Isaiah 40:10). Isaiah 53:1-2 describes the Messiah as the revelation of the arm of the LORD. Therefore, Jesus the Savior is not another God, but an extension of Jehovah in human flesh to bring salvation to the world.

5. Isaiah prophesied that the glory of the LORD would be revealed to all flesh (Isaiah 40:5). Since Jehovah said He would not give His glory to another (Isaiah 42:8; 48:11), we know He could only fulfill this prophecy by revealing Himself. Indeed, we find in the New Testament that Jesus had the glory of the Father (John 1:14; 17:5). He is the Lord of glory (I Corinthians 2:8). When Jesus comes again, He will come in the glory of the Father (Matthew 16:27; Mark 8:38). Since Jesus has Jehovah's glory, He must be Jehovah.

6. Jehovah said, "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak; behold, it is I" (Isaiah 52:6). Yet we know that Jesus is the One that declared the Father, manifested the Father's name, and declared the Father's name (John 1:18; 17:6; 17:26). Jesus declared the LORD's name (Psalm 22:22; Hebrews 2:12). Thus, He must be Jehovah.

7. The LORD said, "That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear" (Isaiah 45:23). Paul quoted this verse of Scripture to prove that all shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ (Romans 14:10-11). Paul also wrote, "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow" (Philippians 2:10).

8. Zechariah offers convincing proof that Jesus is Jehovah. In the passage beginning with Zechariah 11:4, "the LORD my God" said, "So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver." In Zechariah 12:10 Jehovah stated, "They shall look upon me whom they have pierced." Of course, it was Jesus who was sold for thirty pieces of silver and who was pierced (Matthew 26:14-16; John 19:34). Zechariah 12:8 says with reference to the Messiah, "the house of David shall be as God." Zechariah also wrote, "The LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee" and describes Him battling against many nations and stepping foot on the Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14:3-5). Of course, we know Jesus is the One coming back to the Mount of Olives as King of kings and Lord of lords to war against the nations (Acts 1:9-12; I Timothy 6:14-16; Revelation 19:11-16).

9. When Paul, the educated Jew, the Pharisee of Pharisees, the fanatic persecutor of Christianity, was stricken on the road to Damascus by a blinding light from God, he asked, "Who art thou, Lord?" As a Jew, he knew there was only one God and Lord, and he was asking, "Who are you, Jehovah?" The Lord answered, "I am Jesus" (Acts 9:5).

10. Although Moses dealt with Jehovah God, Hebrews 11:26 says that Moses esteemed the reproach of Christ to be greater riches than the treasures of Egypt. So Moses' God was Jesus Christ.

11. Psalm 68:18 depicts a scene m which Jehovah ascends on high and leads captivity captive, yet we know Jesus ascended and led captivity captive. In fact Ephesians 4:7-10 applies this prophecy to Jesus.

12. Revelation 22:6 says, "the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel" to John, but verse 16 says, "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you."

FFT · Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:43 pm Post subject:

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P1234567890 · Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:28 am Post subject:

Ryck · Lion King Joined: 05 Dec 2002 Posts: 1069

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knuckle · Young Wolf Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 501

Hi All---------

Where do we find Jesus refering to the Father as Jehovah?Is it just coincidence that Jehovah is translated LORD and that the bible states plainly that there is one God and one Lord?----- It has always been my belief that Jehovah is Jesus but is not the Father.I believe that all contact man has had with God has been the Son(OT and NT).Jesus used the words "my Father"over and over again then after the atoning work was done He said He was going back to OUR Father and Our God--Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

It is also my belief that after we have accepted the atoning work of Christ then and only then can we get to know the Father

Luk 12:11 And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
Luk 12:12 For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

Now compare this to Matthew and we know exactly who the Holy Ghost is

Mat 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another (other than myself)Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive,(because they haven't received Christ) because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him(because you know the Son you know the Father); for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.(so now we have both Father and Son abiding in us)
Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

much----- love knuckle

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1965

knuckle,

Hi, Very Happy

knuckle · Young Wolf Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 501

Hi TBax----------
Thankyou for replying to my post....

did you notice that the word translated LORD in Matt 22:44 is not Jehovah?It is kurios which means the one over all the supreme authority (yes that would be the Father) do you find it odd that Christ didn't say the name?

Yes Psalm 110(which is where it is quoted from) does say the name Jehovah,but the point of my post was that Jehovah is the only God David could have known because Christ hadn't come in the flesh yet.

as for the translation of Jehovah into LORD---I believe that God kept His hand on these writings,preserved them for us,so it is not a far fetched idea that He also could have had a hand in this as well. Was it also a coincidence that Pilate's sign read "Yeshua of Nazareth, King of the Jews." This was written in four Hebrew words – Yeshua Hanetzeret V'melech Hayehudim. The first letters of the four words are YHVH (Yod-Hey-Vav-Hey). No wonder the religious Jews wanted the sign changed.

Much love------------knuckle

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1965

knuckle,

Hi, Very Happy

Since Jesus was quoting from the Hebrews scriptures he would have used God's name there. David's understanding wouldn't change the fact that Jehovah is talking to Jesus thus Jesus is not Jehovah. God inspired the Bible, and the Bible shows here that Jesus is not Jehovah, but was spoken to by Jehovah. David not understanding who Jesus would be doesn't change this prophesy, which came from God.

holly102869 · Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:50 am Post subject:

To those of you who call yourself christians.

Tell me where in the Bible is Santa Clause.
I believe he is Saint Nicolas, Catholic ofcourse due to the Sainthood. When did he live? Not during the course of writting the Bible.

How about the Easter Bunny? How many of your children hunt Easter Eggs at Church no less?
Did you Know that the Rabbit is used in a pagan ritual done in the spring for fertility. Also, the Easter Bunny is not in the Bible.

Halloween? Or the day of the Saints? Also Catholic that Christians turned into goast and witches.

Birthdays? Are not celebrated in the Bible. Ages are mentioned though. So at the least they counted them.

If you really think about it we are teaching our children, not about Jesus Birth, Death, or Ressurection. Not about the good people who have lived on Earth. We teach them to worship what they should not.

So how can we judge so harshly the Jehova Witness. They are going more by the Bible in so many way than we do.

These holidays are man made to make money.

In the Bible it says that 144.000 and after a thousand years the rest will be jugded. Many think they are the saints. You are we to say who those people are. God will make that choice not man.

There are bad things about every religion. You are told to believe an inturpation of the Bible by man. Who can take any scripture and twist it to fit their need. Seek the answers for yourself, and when you post scripture make sure that it if ,I forsay continue reading in that place of the Bible (I will know you are right). People read your Bibles ,and know You are the Temple. Make it Pure and Ask GOD to guide you to understand if your faith is true ASK< SEEK< KNOCK.

Let no man teach you but the Holy Spirit.

This whole section is Judgement by Man.
May God Show Mercy on all of us

Stop Judging other Religions!!!!!

We all seek the same thing SALVATION!

Holly

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1965

holly,

Hi, Very Happy

Nice words, but something you said may need adjustment. Smile

holly102869 · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:18 am Post subject:

Tpax,

I agree there are good and bad teachers out there. I once was told that If you do not feel comfortable in a church not to go back. I have done this. Once I even got up in the middle of the service and left. Due to the church would let anyone get up and speak. This woman flat out scared me when she covered her face and started speaking. I understand the covering of the head as women did with a veil but to cover your face I could not know who she was talking to.

In the same church before this a paster from another church asked me if I was a believer I said yes. He asked if I had been saved infront of the congration I said "Not infront of them but in private I asked for salvation". He told me that I wasn't a believer but a fan. I never quite understood this How can you be a fan of something if you don't believe in it?

I believe that if a person in truely seeking God, you will know the difference. We are all instilled with a knowledge of right and wrong. We can't just listen to a preacher on Sunday and be saved we have to live the salvation. It is a life on a very narrow road that starts at birth and ends at death. Knowing your Bible and increasing your love and faith of God is the only way to stay on the path.

God Bless,
Holly

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1965

holly,

Hi, Very Happy

Dust · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: