Pre-Tribulation

herb49 · Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 7:29 am Post subject: Pre-Tribulation

Christ comes in fulfillment of his own promise in Revelation 3:10 to keep His church from the hour of temptation, "which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth" (KJV).This is the one that I beleive.
God bless
Herb

herb49 · Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 7:35 am Post subject: Pre-Tribulation

Sorry for the double post, browser froze and kicked me offline. Herb

Tiger75 · Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 9:26 pm Post subject: Pre-Tribulation

God kept Noah and his family during the flood but they still went through it.

Van · Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 9:35 pm Post subject: Pre-Tribulation

If we divide the Great Tribulation in two, with three and a half years before Christ sets foot on the Mount of Olives, and three and a half years where God pours out his wrath, does anyone disagree?

Van · Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 9:50 pm Post subject: Pre-Tribulation

Does anyone think when Jesus comes in the air and gathers his church and when Jesus sets foot on Mount Olives, it is the same event?

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Tiger75 · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:44 am Post subject: Pre-Tribulation

quote:
Originally posted by Van:
Does anyone think when Jesus comes in the air and gathers his church and when Jesus sets foot on Mount Olives, it is the same event?

I do Van.

"Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." Acts 1

However I know people make a lot about 'Ye men of Galilee' being 'to' the Jews but I am afraid I don't see it.

I happy to go along with it all being one event. Even the 7 years being symbolic.

Tiger

Tiger75 · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:50 am Post subject: Pre-Tribulation

quote:
Originally posted by Van:
If we divide the Great Tribulation in two, with three and a half years before Christ sets foot on the Mount of Olives, and three and a half years where God pours out his wrath, does anyone disagree?

Hi Van. My friend agrees and I can see his reasoning. However the '69 weeks' run out at Christ's baptism which I think is interesting. 1 Because then that gives us 3.5 years till 'Mesaiah is cut off' i.e. the Cross and from that point it is 3.5 years to the Conversion of Paul, 'the bringing in of the Gentiles'. So we have our last week.

I'm still kinda convinced that most OT prophecy was fulfilled in Christ's first coming.

Tiger

Van · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:37 am Post subject: Pre-Tribulation

Ok, for others that think the second coming of Christ is in the future and the Great Tribulation will occur in conjuction with the Second Coming, does anyone think when Christ gathers His church in the air, it is the same event as when He sets foot on the Mount of Olives?

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Tiger75 · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 3:54 am Post subject: Pre-Tribulation

quote:
Originally posted by Van:
Ok, for others that think the second coming of Christ is in the future and the Great Tribulation will occur in conjuction with the Second Coming, does anyone think when Christ gathers His church in the air, it is the same event as when He sets foot on the Mount of Olives?

Hi Van,

Sorry if I've misinterpreted your post but I do believe Christ's return is yet to happen and iminant. I think also that whatever slant you have on Great tribulation and 'Millenial Reign' you can't from the scripture separate 'the coming to the air' from 'Christ setting His foot on the mount of olives'. Well not without making a very dodgy differentiation between the 'Jews' and the 'Church'.

Sorry if I've took that the wrong way brother.

Tiger

Van · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:46 am Post subject: Pre-Tribulation

I think it is possible it will be two events, one that comes like a thief in the night without anyone knowing exactly when, and the other with quite a lot of indications that many will recognize. But as have said before, the clear application of Jesus' teaching on the end of the age is we should be watchful, alert and ready.

And Tiger, please just keep telling me your take on my posts, because iron sharpens iron and although I do not agree with all that you post, I agree with almost all of it, and always learn from them. Thanks!

Tiger75 · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 6:41 am Post subject: Pre-Tribulation

Matthew 24

21 For then shall be great tribulation (I assume Congruent with Revelation 7:14), such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened(I assume 7 years being a short period or divinely set amount of time hence '7'), there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's(I assume the Church as they are usually referred to as the 'Elect') sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.(I assume Christ's coming as unexpected 'The Thief' Idea)
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.(This verse I think relates to 'gathering in the air' then 'coming to the ground')
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
(I assume from this verse the 'Elect' are taken to Heaven, note post-Great Tribulation)

What are your thoughts? T

Van · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:45 am Post subject: Pre-Tribulation

I think I need to do more study of the subject before I would venture to dispute your view.

My only observation is the possibility that coming out of the tribulation may not mean coming out at the end of the Great Tribulation. I will study the matter further and if I come up with something to post that differs from your understanding, I will post it. But do not hold your breath, because I have tackled this before and often land in different spots.

Tiger75 · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 8:47 am Post subject: Pre-Tribulation

No Problems

As far as I am concerned this subject is a hobby. Not as serious as the 'Divinity of Christ' as we have been contending in the other forum. (well the details of the second coming / consumation anyway.) As I've joked with friends before on 'A'Millenialism, 'Pre'Millenialism and 'Post'Millenialism; I'm a 'Pan'Millenialist - I'm sure it will all 'Pan' out in the end

Yours In Christ

Tiger

Nobby · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:43 pm Post subject: Pre-Tribulation

Hello Bro. & Sis,
This maybe long! But I would never do that would I???
Here's what I believe & don't belive, and I'll try to back most of it up with the Word of God!
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I believe:
The rapture of His children will come, as the song says In The "Twinkling of an Eye". Our Lord will come as a thief in the night,& snatch us (THE CHURCH) away to be with him forever!
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I believe:
Those that are left, will face the
7 years of tribulations.(The season of the anichrist! For 3 1/2 years everything will seeningly be great!(Except those that know that they have missed the rapture!)(Wow!!That would be terrible to know what was ahead!)
The next 3 1/2 years, they will see the rage of the antichrist!! And only the very few elect will be saved! Those who manage not to take the mark of the beast, and they will more than likely die for their stand for God!
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I believe:
The second coming, (Not the rapture!)of Jesus Christ will be after the Tribulation.
He will return with His church(and guess who His church is) to rule for a thousand years!
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I believe:
The church will not be here during the tribulation, we will have already been taken out!
Those who make it thru the trib. will be added in. Tho's who refuse to take the mark and die for Him, their souls will instently be with Jesus!
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I don't believe:
Any part of the Church will be here during the tribulation! All of His people (the church) will be caught up to meet Him in the air.
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I don't believe:
That the Rapture, the Tribulation, and the 2nd coming of Christ are the same event.
They are all a differen't point in time.
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The Rapture: Th. 4:16/17----
Tribulation: Mark 13:21
After the Trib during John's vision.
Rev.ch7 read the hold chapter.
But Rev. 7:9 speaks of the multitude that came thru the tribulation and were added to the church!
I'm running out of time, but I will post this as is. I may edit later, when I have more time. Good evening &
God Bless,

Nobby

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