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TBax
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If you mean do we partake of the bread and the wine for the occasion Jesus instituted, the answer is only those of the 144,000 actually partake, as they are the ones in that covenant with Jesus. The rest of us respectfully observe that occasion.
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Flashman
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Here we go... 
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| TBax wrote: | P,
If you mean do we partake of the bread and the wine for the occasion Jesus instituted, the answer is only those of the 144,000 actually partake, as they are the ones in that covenant with Jesus. The rest of us respectfully observe that occasion. |
Has any Jehovah's Witness ever ceremonally eaten bread and sipped some wine in church?
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TBax
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Yes. Those who are of the 144,000 do.
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Flashman
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| TBax wrote: | P,
Yes. Those who are of the 144,000 do. |
Did you get to watch them, TBax?
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| TBax wrote: |
Yes. Those who are of the 144,000 do. |
I don't really know what this means.
Have you or has any JW that you know ever taken communion?
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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TBax
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Yes, some do partake of the bread and wine just like Jesus said to do regarding those who are part of the new covenant.
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FFT
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| TBax wrote: | | Incorrect. I don't make my values. My values are based on God's word. God is the one who decides what is right and wrong in moral matters. I am guided by His principals. I do not make them up myself. |
You know, every Christian seems to use this argument. And yet hardly any of them agree completely on values.
Just because you're basing your values on your interpretation of God's word doesn't mean you aren't making your values, you're just using a source.
| TBax wrote: | | However blood doesn't do that. |
Tell that to the people that wouldn't be here any more were it not for a handy blood transfusion.
| TBax wrote: | | God is the one who will bring the greatest happiness. But you refuse to see that, so obviously your values will be different. |
I don't refuse to see it, I refuse to believe it without seeing it.
| TBax wrote: | | Based on our previous conversations, I am not at all supprised you missed the point. It implies you guide YOURSELF. |
And how is this any different from what you do every day? Does God pop in and correct you if you do something wrong? |
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TBax
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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FFT,
| FFT wrote: | You know, every Christian seems to use this argument. And yet hardly any of them agree completely on values.
Just because you're basing your values on your interpretation of God's word doesn't mean you aren't making your values, you're just using a source. |
I understand what you are saying. Many people in Christendom tend to be more like you, and set values for themselves, disregarding what God says. But Jehovah's Witnesses don't do that. We use the Bible as our guide. If something isn't specifically adressed, we look for the principals we can apply for such situations.
| FFT wrote: | | Tell that to the people that wouldn't be here any more were it not for a handy blood transfusion. |
Yea. What about the people who actually died from blood transfusions. Yes, it has happened.
| FFT wrote: | | I don't refuse to see it, I refuse to believe it without seeing it. |
John 20:29 Jesus said to him: “Because you have seen me have you believed? Happy are those who do not see and yet believe.”
Only problem is, you may never see it if you don't believe.
| FFT wrote: | | And how is this any different from what you do every day? Does God pop in and correct you if you do something wrong? |
Actually, yes. That is what Bible training is for. We learn God's thoughts, and make them ours.
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FFT
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| TBax wrote: | | But Jehovah's Witnesses don't do that. We use the Bible as our guide. |
As I said, "just because you're basing your values on your interpretation of God's word doesn't mean you aren't making your values, you're just using a source."
| TBax wrote: | | If something isn't specifically adressed, we look for the principals we can apply for such situations. |
"Don't eat blood, eh? Let's take this to the EXTREEEM!"
| TBax wrote: | | Yea. What about the people who actually died from blood transfusions. Yes, it has happened. |
I'm fully aware that it's happened, but:
1. Would they have without a blood transfusion?
2. Have more died from blood transfusions than have lived because of blood transfusions?
| TBax wrote: | | John 20:29 Jesus said to him: “Because you have seen me have you believed? Happy are those who do not see and yet believe.” |
Gee, really? I'm fully aware that believing there's a loving being up there taking care of everyone has a tendency to make people happy. Taking sugar pills can cure all sorts of things.
| TBax wrote: | | Actually, yes. That is what Bible training is for. We learn God's thoughts, and make them ours. |
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TBax
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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FFT,
| FFT wrote: | | As I said, "just because you're basing your values on your interpretation of God's word doesn't mean you aren't making your values, you're just using a source." |
I don't know about that. The Bible makes it clear that extra marital affairs are wrong. Is that just my interpretation of what the Bible is saying?
The Bible say abstain from fornication. Wouldn't that include all forms? Or is that just my interpretation?
The Bible say abstain from blood. Wouldn't that include all ways to take it in? Or is that just my interpretation?
The fact is, I listen to the Bible. You don't. You are in no position to interpret it FOR me, or to interpret what my values are based on.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| TBax wrote: | | Yes, some do partake of the bread and wine just like Jesus said to do regarding those who are part of the new covenant. |
Since the wine is supposed to symbolize Jesus' blood, how is this consistent with the whole 'abstain from blood' doctrine?
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-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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TBax
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P,
Yes, the wine symbolises Jesus Blood. It is not blood. Jesus blood is the blood we are to look to for life, because he poured it out so we can have what Adam lost for us. Everlasting life.
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FFT
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| TBax wrote: | I don't know about that. The Bible makes it clear that extra marital affairs are wrong. Is that just my interpretation of what the Bible is saying?
The Bible say abstain from fornication. Wouldn't that include all forms? Or is that just my interpretation?
The Bible say abstain from blood. Wouldn't that include all ways to take it in? Or is that just my interpretation? |
Again, you're making your own values. You're simply reflecting those written down, or your interpretation of what's written down, in certain cases.
| TBax wrote: | | Yes, the wine symbolises Jesus Blood. It is not blood. |
Getting a blood transfusion isn't the same as eating blood, but you'd still have us believe it's a nono. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| TBax wrote: | | Jesus blood is the blood we are to look to for life, |
So in other words, Jesus' blood is a lot like the blood for a transfusion, which also gives life...
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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