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lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject:

I think the number three has so much in it...
Considering the Sabbath day.
On the seventh day of creation God rested. All work had been completed.
It is finished.
When Jesus was crucified His work in which he had come to do had been completed.
It is finished.

And yet Paul says that there is still a Sabbath which we need to enter into.
was looking at the verse..it is finished:

Jam 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.

A day is as a thousand years...
On the sixth day God created man. In that day that man ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil he died.

On the seventh day.....

God rested, Man died, and Jesus gave his Spirit back to God.

sleeping/buried/ressurection.

six days we are to do all our work but the seventh day is the Lord's. we are to do no work in it.

Well we can't work when we're dead right?

Psa 6:5 For in death [there is] no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Now when we are born again, we are dead to sin. We are no longer to partake of it or work in it. This Sabbath that we enter into physically shows us what happens when we die. We sleep. Until God calls our spirit back to Him.
This Sabbath is a shadow of a spiritual truth. Yet if we don't keep it, then the meaning itself gets lost.

I hear a lot today...what happens when we die? Do we go to heaven or hell or somewhere in between?

Well, what did God do the day he stopped working? He rested.
So when we die we rest too.
And the Sabbath also gives us a sure hope. That when the following morning comes we rise and it begins a new day.

This is the hope of the ressurection, given to man in the truth of the Sabbath day.

Now there is more than one sabbath. God says to keep His sabbaths. This is plural. In that we are shown different times of resting and ceasing from doing our own works. Our own works represent sin. Sin when it is finished brings death.
The only way I see that we can bypass death is if there is no sin in us whatsoever. We would have to be perfect. Well, we know we're not of our own selves. We are incapable of being sinless. However there is one who is sinless and this is Christ.

Anywho..
Getting back to the Sabbath day of the week. If we keep God's word and apply it to our lives, then we would understand the significance of what it means to die be buried and to be resurrected from the dead.
If we lose this meaning and this shadow of the truth which we display in ourselves, Then in generations to come no one will understand the foundation upon which the resurrection is based.

This Sabbath is the Rock or witness to the truth of what life and death are all about.

We are still working. Still doing our thing until the day we die. Whether it's eating, doing the laundry, studying classes, driving a car, taking a shower.. It's all things we are doing.
When we die, we don't do our things anymore. We rest just like God did on the Sabbath day when all His work was finished.

So should we keep the Sabbath? If you want to understand what life and death and resurection are all about, then I believe it is a necessary fundamental element to faith in life after death.

God picked the seventh day for a reason.....you can make it sixth or third or first, but there's a fundamental truth to this seventh day.
And seeing we're in the sixth day now...I'd really hate to miss it when it comes. Some people still be looking for it on the first day, which is the eigth day. Well that would be the second resurrection and not the first. IMO.

There's a verse in revelation that didn't make much sense to me till just now:

Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

This is grace from God. believe it or not. Ask any person who is desiring to die because they are just plain worn out and tired, or in pain and just want relief from suffering.
Can you...I don't even want to think about it but, I'll lay it out anyways..
Can you imagine if there was no death and Jesus hanging on that cross for all eternity...

Death is God's Sabbath for Man. It is our release. our rest. our peace from the toils of this life.

What does it mean men shall seek death and not find it? death shall flee from them?

I'm thinking their spirits never rest they just keep beboppin along. In torment and in pain never being able to return to God or find rest in His Sabbath He gave to mankind.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

I see...death was made for man and not man for death. Rest was made for man and not man for rest. Peace was made for man and not man for peace.

God gave man a time to rest and He hallowed it, and sanctified it, and made it Holy for us. If we want to enter into His rest with Him then we ought to honor that same rest He gave to us.
Whether it be in the shadow of things to come as in keeping the seventh day Holy as a reminder of God's grace and love to mankind, or whether when the time is right and God's chooses us that day to rest, that we don't fight against it looking for ways to escape death.

Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

What is the good news!!

The entering in to God's Sabbath and the resurrection to life!!

nobody wants to die....that's why they changed the seventh day to the first.
They thought they could just bypass death and move right along into life.

Yup you sure can...but it might not be the life eternal your expecting.. Shocked

Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2Cr 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen [are] temporal; but the things which are not seen [are] eternal.

If you understand the shadow of the truth then you can understand the eternal truth.

If you share in the shadow which God gave to man here on earth, then you will also partake of the eternal which God gave to man in heaven.

Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

well....we're not all dead yet.

If Israel had been keeping the passover with spiritual eyes and paying attention to the signs, they would have understood who Jesus was and they would have turned back to God. But they kept their own traditions and they leaned on their own understandings. And they changed the ordinances to fit their own desires. So when the real thing happened...
they missed the boat......HEY NOAH!!! wait for me!!!

that's how I understand it.
God Bless
Lone
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I wonder if Silver's theology is based upon a filtering of the Word of God through Exodus 20:3-17 and Deuteronomy 5:7-21 (The Ten Commandments).

I wonder what the continuing theme throughout the Bible is according to Silver.
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John R Nolan · Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: Sabbath worship

What a lot of curious reasoning and Scriptural manipulation we observe by those who dogmatically support false doctrine and the incapability of their arguements to stand before God's Word
The word SABBATH; SABBATON; "TO CEASE, DESIST, the double b has an intensive force, implying a complete cessation" Vines Bible Dict.
God gave His people a day of rest, in the O.T. that they could recover for the coming week's work and it was Saturday, Sunday being the first day of the week
Christians are not instructed to observe the 7th commandment, which is a Jewish law. Ex.20:10, and here there is no reference to it being a day of worship, "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God, in it thou shalt NOT do any WORK, thou nor thy son nor thy daughter...etc."
We find there are few references to the saints getting together for fellowship and the breaking of bread in the N.t. but it was on the FIRST day of the week, Acts 20;7; 1 Cor.16:2; though there is no point trying to convince anyone to believe this, we either believe His Word or we interpret It
As other writers comment, we, as Christians, are to worship Him everyday, in Spirit and in TRUTH, to fellowship with 'people who are like minded' we are nowhere told to JOIN a church

Silver Surfer · Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: Re: Sabbath worship

[quote="John R Nolan"]What a lot of curious reasoning and Scriptural manipulation we observe by those who dogmatically support false doctrine and the incapability of their arguements to stand before God's Word
The word SABBATH; SABBATON; "TO CEASE, DESIST, the double b has an intensive force, implying a complete cessation" Vines Bible Dict.