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P1234567890
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Joined: 11 Mar 2006
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Location: Victoria, Canada
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| Apple Pie wrote: |
Again...
You can only give us your opinion.
You just flat-out "can't be bothered" to give us anything more than "what you feel" is the meaning....
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Luckily for me, my 'opinion' that "to have" and "to believe" are two different verbs meaning two different things happens to coincide with fact.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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Apple Pie
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Apple Pie wrote: |
Again...
You can only give us your opinion.
You just flat-out "can't be bothered" to give us anything more than "what you feel" is the meaning....
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Luckily for me, my 'opinion' that "to have" and "to believe" are two different verbs meaning two different things happens to coincide with fact. |
Prove it.
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Flashman wrote: | | Well, P...you'd better go learn classic Greek since this is all we're getting out of Pie. It will be the only way for you to understand him. |
 I get it
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‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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P1234567890
Emperor of the Universe
Joined: 11 Mar 2006
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Location: Victoria, Canada
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Apple Pie wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: | | Apple Pie wrote: |
Again...
You can only give us your opinion.
You just flat-out "can't be bothered" to give us anything more than "what you feel" is the meaning....
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Luckily for me, my 'opinion' that "to have" and "to believe" are two different verbs meaning two different things happens to coincide with fact. |
Prove it. |
Incidentally, I also believe that frogs and cars are different things, and I also believe that this is so obvious that I don't have to prove it.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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Flashman
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Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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Location: MO
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| Apple Pie wrote: | | Flashman wrote: | | Apple Pie wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: | | Apple Pie wrote: |
What part about this verse...1Jo 2:23 Everyone denying the Son does not have the Father. The one confessing the Son also has the Father. ...escapes your intellect...? |
You're misinterpreting the scripture. You seem to think it says that anyone who denies the Son does not believe in the father.
This is NOT what it says.
It says that anyone who denies the Son isn't doing a proper job worshipping the father.
"Does not have" really means "Does not have the father properly understood".
Besides, by your argument, Jews don't worship the same God as Christians, since they certainly deny the Son, and we certainly know that Jews worship the same God, since they worship the God in the Old Testament, and He is the same God as in the New Testament. So there must be something wrong with your argument. |
Your comprehension of classic Greek is just as non-existent as that of your classic Arabic... |
Well, P...you'd better go learn classic Greek since this is all we're getting out of Pie. It will be the only way for you to understand him.
Pie is advancing the idea that the Father is the God Elohim. Not Jesus nor the Holy Spirit. Which is wrong. I'm in agreement that both the Muslims and the Jews are not worshipping my Triune God; they are not worshipping the God of my understanding - whom I believe to be the "one true God". That does not mean they don't worship Elohim, the God of the Bible from the Old Testament - as the God of their understanding. Once they accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior (a New Testament offering), they then gain a true understanding of who God is - and, access to the Father and heaven is now theirs.
God states many times in the Bible, that many will deny Jesus; but it only means they have no access to heaven and the Father (and salvation). Pie is wasting entirely too much blackboard and chalk when he could have argued with his own mind.
Perhaps he gets the idea that if you don't believe in the correct form of Elohim, then that's evil and since evil is Satan's domain, you are worshipping Satan. Again, hard to be clear and I'm not going to spend eternity just trying to decipher his posts. He'd be on much firmer ground by saying Buddha isn't Elohim. |
Another doof that can't read....  |
That's "Dufe" to you 
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Nobby
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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You quoted all this to answer the last line. 
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Flashman
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobby wrote: | | You quoted all this to answer the last line. |
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Trinity1
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What happened to AP? Did he get tired... what?
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | What happened to AP? Did he get tired... what? |
He came here to preach, and not to debate. After his sermon was over, he made a token gesture at debating, and then he left, probably to preach on some other board.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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Nobby
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What happened to AP? Did he get tired... what? |
I don't know? His last post was June 11. Maybe he just went somewhere for a week or so?
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