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FFT Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 6064 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 6360 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: |
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common sense would tell me that if two rocket ships that begin at a single location, both travelling in opposite dirrectons at the same speed....
Then each side would hear eachother twice as slow as from where they began.
50......40....30...20..10.(0).10..20...30....40.....50,
but wouldn't it depend on how tight the line of communication is betwwen one point and another..because the tighter you pull the line, the easier it is for sound to travel because of less obstructions in the line..fine tuned.
of course until the line breaks or becomes slack, then communication would become less fine tuned and disrupted?
yeah anywhooo..
What if it's not our universe that's expanding. I don't know much about black holes and all that or even if they truly exist, but the theory goes something like...a black hole eats up whatever comes near it's mouth growing bigger and more powerful as it gets fuller.
So what if there is a black hole that is near full, and we just dont see it because black holes are black and there is no light in them that we can see, they are camoflouged, then if it were to say become filled to extreme fatness by that one last mouthful and burst, all that energy would have to create something maybe, and it might create a new star..sun.
which may be bigger than our own sun, say 7 times bigger, and then it would just end up burning us to a crisp.
I'm trying to look at the universe and black holes and suns in their ultimate extremes so that we might find what causes them, how they react, how to determine if there is one near by even if we can or can't see it.
All things that have life begin with some kind of energy, or body..
and a blackhole is what cylindical or round? it must have some kind of form, and that form expands until it pops. and everything that was in it gets spewed out...
creating new universes all around us.
So who's to say we're not a neighbor to one of them and their moving closer and getting bigger and eating more every day...
what if it's like 10 universes away can we see it?
yet?
and if it gets big enough to eat whole universes then hey it wouldn't take long for it to be even at the door would it LOL..not funny..
Just letting my mind wander... _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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FFT Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 6064 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | | What if it's not our universe that's expanding. I don't know much about black holes and all that or even if they truly exist, but the theory goes something like...a black hole eats up whatever comes near it's mouth growing bigger and more powerful as it gets fuller. | Smaller and more powerful, if I recall correctly.
| lone-traveler wrote: | | which may be bigger than our own sun, say 7 times bigger, and then it would just end up burning us to a crisp. | There are plenty of stars bigger than our sun. Betelgeuse in the Orion constellation has a diameter about 1,000 times larger than our Sun.
| lone-traveler wrote: | | So who's to say we're not a neighbor to one of them and their moving closer and getting bigger and eating more every day... | We can't actually see black holes, as nothing reflects on them (hence black). However, we can see the effect they have on their surroundings. There aren't any near enough to us to matter.
| lone-traveler wrote: | what if it's like 10 universes away can we see it?
yet?
and if it gets big enough to eat whole universes then hey it wouldn't take long for it to be even at the door would it LOL..not funny.. | It would be over instantaneously. You wouldn't even notice it happening. The oddness of the idea of a black hole 10 universes away nonwithstanding. |
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P1234567890 Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 7557 Location: Victoria, Canada
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | lone-traveler wrote: | | What if it's not our universe that's expanding. I don't know much about black holes and all that or even if they truly exist, but the theory goes something like...a black hole eats up whatever comes near it's mouth growing bigger and more powerful as it gets fuller. | Smaller and more powerful, if I recall correctly.
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Here's a cool factoid for you: if left alone, black holes 'evaporate'. They just disappear (after billions of years). _________________ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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Michael-D Big Hamster
Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 96 Location: Jorja
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | We can't actually see black holes, as nothing reflects on them (hence black). However, we can see the effect they have on their surroundings. |
King Kong is right. Nothing that has passed beyond the black holes event horizon can be reflected back. But we can see how the pull from the black holes gravity makes nearby stars act. Also we can observe matter that the black hole is consuming. It could look kind of like a spiral. Picture bathwater going down the drain. You cant see where its going but you CAN see it going! Ha ha.
| Quote: | | There aren't any near enough to us to matter. |
I dont know about that King Kong. There really could be a freakin MONSTER of a black hole at the center of our galaxy. Ha ha.
I suppose that any time matter or a star falls in, the black holes mass would grow just a little, pushing the event horizon out further and pulling more matter out of its orbit and into its evil clutches. Ha ha. And then its even horizon would expand a little more and a little more and keep growing and eventually consume the whole galaxy? Ha ha. Thats pretty cool.
But King Kong still could be right about it not mattering. Because even if there is a black hole at the center of the milky way itll take a hell of a long time to effect us. Ha ha. So what difference does it make? Ha ha.
| Quote: | | Here's a cool factoid for you: if left alone, black holes 'evaporate'. They just disappear (after billions of years). |
I don’t know about the “factoid” part Patty. Ha ha. But yeah thats a basic theory. We dont know of any force strong enough to stop a black hole from completely collapsing to zero radius. But that dont mean there isnt one. Ha ha. Maybe Luke Skywalker or Yoda or somebody could do it. Ha ha. May the force be with you. Ha ha.
What did you mean by “if left alone”? Your an atheist arent you? Patty, if you dont believe in God who the hell do you think is big enough to go up to a black hole and bother it or tell it how to do its job? Ha ha. _________________ "Do not expect to be applauded when you do the right thing, and do not expect to be forgiven when you err. But even your enemies will respect commitment - and a conscience at peace is worth more than a thousand tainted victories." |
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P1234567890 Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 7557 Location: Victoria, Canada
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| Michael-D wrote: |
What did you mean by “if left alone”? Your an atheist arent you? Patty, if you dont believe in God who the hell do you think is big enough to go up to a black hole and bother it or tell it how to do its job? Ha ha. |
If it doesn't gain any more mass. And why do you call me Patty? _________________ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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Michael-D Big Hamster
Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 96 Location: Jorja
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Oh I see. Ha ha.
I think it was because your screen name starts with a P. I just added the "atty." Ha ha. If you have something more reasonable Ill call you that. _________________ "Do not expect to be applauded when you do the right thing, and do not expect to be forgiven when you err. But even your enemies will respect commitment - and a conscience at peace is worth more than a thousand tainted victories." |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 6360 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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I was thinking...( I'm gonna burn out my brain cells LOLOL)
information is expanding, knowledge is expanding, technology is expanding, science is expanding, the universe in our mind is expanding, so if everything internal is moving outwards, then came the earth..(population like FFT said) then I just kept going as far as my mind would go which is finite.
And then I thought of a rubber band..you can only go so far before either it snaps back in on itself or it totally breaks/snaps.
Like a mind snaps, or alzheimers, or reverting back to a mind of infancy,
trying to go backwards is more difficult because it goes against our nature.
As long as we've known it seems as if we're always going forwards.
But what if time or energy or space or all of them are not just going in one direction.
Maybe time moves forward and space reduces.
and then it changes direction,
time starts moving backwards and space increases.
I have a real stupid question...
can time be moving backwards and we just don't know it?
I wonder if there ever was a time when the earth did a total flip on it's axis.
So what should be day is night, and what should be north is south, and what should east is west???
Like an image reflection of the outside physical world, compared to our inner workings of the mind.
working in opposite directions, the flow of energy.
I think my mind is frying...hey maybe thats why we get headaches....
The mind is an awesome thing to study..the way the energy flows on it like a fiery communication system travelling back and forth like a fire storm..
LOL...a brainstorm hehehe...
oh brother...I'm losing it..LOL _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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