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Flashman
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 Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | cballard wrote: | | I think He left us information through His word and deeds so we are sure of our direction. |
So did Zeus. So did Mithra. So did Odin. So did Allah. |
Which one(s) do you have a personal relationship with?
| FFT wrote: | | cballard wrote: | | Besides, it's written in our hearts. |
Really? Why, then, are there relatively few Christians? Why are their numbers shrinking? |
If they are, perhaps you've read of the great falling away?
| FFT wrote: | | cballard wrote: | | What in your opinion might constitute a false god? Money? Power? Pride? |
Nonexistence, which seems to have swept like plague throughout the ranks of gods throughout history. Hopefully it's just a matter of time before it overcomes the last of them. |
You are right...just a matter of time.... But which one will be the last of them? And how does "nonexistance" constitute a false god?
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FFT
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| Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Flashman wrote: | | Which one(s) do you have a personal relationship with? |
None personally, but people have claimed such in the past and currently.
| Flashman wrote: | | If they are, perhaps you've read of the great falling away? |
Ah, but if this information is "written in our hearts," that doesn't make much sense, does it?
| Flashman wrote: | | You are right...just a matter of time.... But which one will be the last of them? |
At the current rate, Allah.
| Flashman wrote: | | And how does "nonexistance" constitute a false god? |
If it doesn't exist, it's pretty false, isn't it? |
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Flashman
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Flashman wrote: | | Which one(s) do you have a personal relationship with? |
None personally, but people have claimed such in the past and currently. |
I've never heard of any earthly being ever touting a personal relationship with any "god" other the Jesus. Admittedly, I'm not the shiniest marble in the bag, but I probably would have heard that argument. Are there cases that you can cite that bears out your statement?
| FFT wrote: | | Flashman wrote: | | If they are, perhaps you've read of the great falling away? |
Ah, but if this information is "written in our hearts," that doesn't make much sense, does it? |
Sure, it makes a world of sense. I've seen you quote scripture, so you must have read it.
| FFT wrote: | | Flashman wrote: | | And how does "nonexistance" constitute a false god? |
If it doesn't exist, it's pretty false, isn't it? |
Nonexistance constitutes a "non-god". False implies "counterfeit" or "incorrect".
I know you're a stickler for accuracy in statements, so I'm just trying to help focus for you.
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| Flashman wrote: | | I've never heard of any earthly being ever touting a personal relationship with any "god" other the Jesus. Admittedly, I'm not the shiniest marble in the bag, but I probably would have heard that argument. Are there cases that you can cite that bears out your statement? |
Ah, I see the distinction you're making.
Priests and prophets throughout time immemorial have claimed a personal connection to whatever deity they ascribe to, though you may not call that a "personal relationship."
| Flashman wrote: | | Sure, it makes a world of sense. I've seen you quote scripture, so you must have read it. |
I know that the law was supposed to be written on all of man's hearts when the messiah came. It was also supposed to be written on everyone's minds, though.
Jeremiah
31:31 “Indeed, a time is coming,” says the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah.
31:32 It will not be like the old covenant that I made with their ancestors when I delivered them from Egypt. For they violated that covenant, even though I was like a faithful husband to them,” says the Lord.
31:33 “But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land,” says the Lord. “I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts and minds. I will be their God and they will be my people.
31:34 “People will no longer need to teach their neighbors and relatives to know me. For all of them, from the least important to the most important, will know me,” says the Lord. “For I will forgive their sin and will no longer call to mind the wrong they have done.”
Does that sound like it's been fulfilled?
| Flashman wrote: | Nonexistance constitutes a "non-god". False implies "counterfeit" or "incorrect".
I know you're a stickler for accuracy in statements, so I'm just trying to help focus for you. |
Fair enough |
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summertime
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | Is it relevant?
Are two sterile guys in a homosexual relationship then not an abomination? |
What does their sterility have to do with it? |
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Rattlesnake
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | other than the command to be fruitful and multiply, which is physically impossible for two men to do....
is there anywhere in the bible two men engaged in any sexual relationship that has God's blessing? |
Read the book called The Children Are Free. It seems to think there is. |
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summertime
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: reply |
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| golfjack wrote: | Lone, we all will be held accountable to God. Let's see what scripture says about Homosexuality. 2 Timothy 3:1-5 says there will be perilous times in the last days. Verse 3 talks about without natural affection (homosexuality). I ask you, who is the god of this world? The devil is very busy right now because he knows his time is short. 1 John talks about anti-christ evil spirits. Do I need to say more?
May God bless, golfjack |
I would suggest that you look up the greek definiton for 'without natural affection' instead of assuming it means something it doesn't just because you are personally opposed to that something that you think it does mean. If memory serves me correctly, the correct definition refers to those who have no love for their children. That is the natural affection that is lacking according to the greek definition. I will verify tonight and correct, if need be, tomorrow. Also, the devil does not know if 'his' time is short or not. No one knows when the end will come, so the amount of time is unknown. |
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Flashman
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Flashman wrote: | | Sure, it makes a world of sense. I've seen you quote scripture, so you must have read it. |
I know that the law was supposed to be written on all of man's hearts when the messiah came. It was also supposed to be written on everyone's minds, though.
Jeremiah
31:31 “Indeed, a time is coming,” says the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah.
31:32 It will not be like the old covenant that I made with their ancestors when I delivered them from Egypt. For they violated that covenant, even though I was like a faithful husband to them,” says the Lord.
31:33 “But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land,” says the Lord. “I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts and minds. I will be their God and they will be my people.
31:34 “People will no longer need to teach their neighbors and relatives to know me. For all of them, from the least important to the most important, will know me,” says the Lord. “For I will forgive their sin and will no longer call to mind the wrong they have done.” |
Actually, in reading the above, I get that God will write..."...It on their hearts and minds."...of the Israelites (tribes of Israel and Judah). However, I do remember somewhere (more study necessary) where the law is written in my heart, too (not an Israelite). I'll have to study even more about, "on my mind" facet.
| FFT wrote: | | Does that sound like it's been fulfilled? |
Do you mean does it sound like the law was written in their hearts and minds? Was that fulfilled?
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| summertime wrote: | | FFT wrote: | Is it relevant?
Are two sterile guys in a homosexual relationship then not an abomination? |
What does their sterility have to do with it? |
For some reason I thought lone-traveler was saying that men and women have to be together because then they can have children. |
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Flashman wrote: | | Do you mean does it sound like the law was written in their hearts and minds? Was that fulfilled? |
"People will no longer need to teach their neighbors and relatives to know me. For all of them, from the least important to the most important, will know me."
Sound fulfilled? |
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Flashman
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Flashman wrote: | | Do you mean does it sound like the law was written in their hearts and minds? Was that fulfilled? |
"People will no longer need to teach their neighbors and relatives to know me. For all of them, from the least important to the most important, will know me."
Sound fulfilled? |
Not yet...I can't find that verse. Can you cite please? And bible version would be nice too. I've searched all my soft-bibles for that phrase.
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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The wording varies greatly, but the intent appears the same.
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NIV: No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."
KJV: And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
NLT: And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their family, saying, `You should know the LORD.' For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will already know me," says the LORD. "And I will forgive their wickedness and will never again remember their sins."
NetBible: “People will no longer need to teach their neighbors and relatives to know me. For all of them, from the least important to the most important, will know me,” says the Lord. “For I will forgive their sin and will no longer call to mind the wrong they have done.” |
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Flashman
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | The wording varies greatly, but the intent appears the same.
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NIV: No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."
KJV: And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
NLT: And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their family, saying, `You should know the LORD.' For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will already know me," says the LORD. "And I will forgive their wickedness and will never again remember their sins."
NetBible: “People will no longer need to teach their neighbors and relatives to know me. For all of them, from the least important to the most important, will know me,” says the Lord. “For I will forgive their sin and will no longer call to mind the wrong they have done.” |
They are essentially the same. This is one of Jeremiah's prophecies. So, the Lord declared it to Jeremiah, and he wrote it down. I still say it was the Holy Spirit who put this prophecy into Jeremiah's spirit.
I've always (with respect to the Triunety of God) understood that the Father is the brains, Jesus the do-er and the Holy Spirit is the power(no disrespect intended to God, only colloquializing). I've always read the Bible in that light, and it's always made sense. It's a long-held system for me, but it may be a good time to reconfirm it.................Yup, it still seems right to me.
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Flashman wrote: | | They are essentially the same. This is one of Jeremiah's prophecies. So, the Lord declared it to Jeremiah, and he wrote it down. I still say it was the Holy Spirit who put this prophecy into Jeremiah's spirit. |
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Flashman
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Flashman wrote: | | They are essentially the same. This is one of Jeremiah's prophecies. So, the Lord declared it to Jeremiah, and he wrote it down. I still say it was the Holy Spirit who put this prophecy into Jeremiah's spirit. |
Different thread |
In the words of Michael-D...ha ha 
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